Now part of the Darkcast Network. Welcome to Indie Podcasts with a dark side. At, uh, 10:07am on August 2, 2018, 26 year old Seth Welch called 911 from his Michigan farmhouse, sounding flat and emotionless. Hi, I guess I don’t know if this is the right place to report this to. I’m at home and one of my children is dead. She’s cold, she’s not breathing, she’s unresponsive. The dispatcher, uh, clearly caught off guard by his tone, tried to gather details. They asked why he thought his daughter had died and Seth said, I have no idea. We just woke up and she’s dead. And then he calmly explained that his 10 month old daughter Mary was quote, dead as a doornail. When asked how he was holding up, Seth said, quote, just another day, right? You know, it is what it is. What the. Welcome. Welcome lambs to love and murder, heartbreak to homicide. Your weekly true crime podcast telling you cases of relationships that turn to murder. 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One of them boiled my Blood and we have this month’s Deadly Duels episode coming out so you don’t want to miss that. Patreon.com forward/loveandmurder now go ahead and grab your butts, grab your delicious glass of apple juice and let’s get into this love murder. Also go ahead and stay to the end. I’m going to read some of your comments and there are especially Two comments that I want to address. Seth told dispatchers that Mary had gone to sleep the day before around 3pm and that he hadn’t checked on her until around 10am the next morning. It’s a 10 month old who puts a baby to bed and doesn’t check on them for 19 hours. What saying a person, you know what, I messed up? I said, sane person, never mind. Retract that from the record. When the dispatcher asked Seth, quote, so you’re saying it’s normal for your children to sleep from 3pm to 10am he said, yeah. When asked why he hadn’t checked on her, Seth didn’t have much of an answer. Even after finding her unresponsive, he didn’t call 911 right away. What the frick? Okay, uh, this is going to be one of those kind of episodes. Let me brace myself for the level of ranting, uh, that’s going to be in this episode because I’m already pissed off. So Instead of calling 911 right away, he waited for about an hour and a half telling a 911 operator that he had called his lawyer first. Quote, I called my lawyer to ask what’s the best thing I can do? And they said wait until they’re here to call police. I was waiting on legal counsel. His wife, Tatiana Fusari, had tried cpr, but only after the dispatcher asked whether they tried to help their daughter or not. Now your lawyer said to wait to call the police. The lawyer didn’t say wait to call for help for the baby. Mary was the third child born to Seth and 27 year old Tatiana, who lived with their family in Solo Township, Kent County, Michigan at the time of Mary’s death. They had two older children, ages 2 and 4. Tatiana had grown up in New York and moved to Grand Rapids at 20 years old, hoping to study early childhood education and one day open her own daycare. Uh, open your own daycare? You left your own child to sleep and I quote for 19 hours and I’m supposed to trust you with my child? Then she met Seth and things moved fast. So fast that they moved in together after only one date. Now, their relationship wasn’t simple. There were clear signs of control, domestic issues and a, uh, deep distrust for the medical system, mostly coming from Seth. I mean, you didn’t give any time to get to know this personality, all of his red flags or basically anything about him. Did you know his middle or his last name before you moved in together asking for a friend? Seth was described as a devout Christian, but His beliefs went far beyond faith. On social media, he regularly denounced modern medicine, calling doctors, as he said, quote, the priesthood of the medical cult. In one of his videos, he proudly said he refused to vaccinate his children, adding, as he said, quote, the righteous shall live by faith. It’s God who is sovereign over disease and those sorts of things, and, of course, ultimately death. In another post, he said, quote, if evolution believes in survival of the fittest, well, then why are we vaccinating everybody? Shouldn’t we just let the weak die off and let the strong survive? Seth claimed that taking a child to the doctor was, quote, just as dangerous as not going. And that mindset dictated how the family lived, and that mindset dictated how the family lived. Two of their three children had never seen a licensed doctor, and Child Protective services had already been involved once before, back in 2014, after THC was found in their first child system at birth. Uh-huh. So that’s why he doesn’t want the doctors in his business. But that warning didn’t change anything. Seth’s distrust of the system only grew stronger, and Tatiana, uh, seemed to follow his lead while, or was too afraid not to. Back to the morning of August 2nd, Kent County Sheriff’s Department police arrived to find the home in terrible condition. Crime scene specialist Deputy Dawn Tenbrink became visibly emotional while documenting the scene. The crib mattress where Mary lay was soaked with urine and stained with what looked like mold. It. In fact, the entire house had evidence of mold, vermin, and an insect problem. When first responders looked at the baby, they noted that her cheeks were sunken, her skin was gray, and she didn’t have a pulse. One deputy said her eyes were, quote, sunken into her head. A hole had been cut into the door of her room, with Seth explaining that that had been done so they can check on her without waking her. What kind of moronic What? The child was pronounced dead at the scene. Seth and Tatiana were arrested and booked into jail on Friday, August 3rd. After his arrest, Seth showed no remorse. Instead, he had the audacity to be outraged. He told Wood TV that he was being, quote, unfairly charged and, quote, made an example for my very strong faith, sir. No, no, uh, that. That’s not how any of this works here. When reporters asked him to explain Mary’s condition, he claimed ignorance, saying, quote, I didn’t know Mary was ill. Following their arrest, CPS filed a neglect case, and the two eldest children were removed from the home and placed with Seth’s parents. During the initial investigation, detectives found that on August 1, the day before Mary died. Seth was the one responsible for taking care of her while Tatiana was at work. When detectives questioned him about his activities with the baby that day, Seth admitted that he hadn’t given Mary any food, water, or even a diaper change the entire day. Later, the medical examiner confirmed that Mary hadn’t died suddenly. First of all, although Mary was born on October 23, 2017, in 20, she only weighed 8 pounds, which is 3.63 kilos at the time of her death. This means that she had only gained 1.25 pounds, or 0.5 second kilos since birth. Let me reiterate. She’s only gained one single pound in 10 months. She had been starved to death. The autopsy revealed she’d been chronically malnourished and dehydrated for weeks. Her organs were failing, her muscles wasted to the point that she couldn’t even lift her head. The medical examiner described it as, quote, chronic withholding, uh, of food and water, and labeled the death as a homicide. Okay, let me pause for a second and get myself together. I have both anger and sadness welling up inside of me, fighting for control. And I am so, so super disgusted by people like this. If you didn’t want a frickin child, you have many options available to you other than letting a baby starved to death. Many other options. Seth and Tatiana both admitted they’d noticed Mary was skinny and underweight for about a month before she died. But neither of them took her to a doctor. When Mary’s condition worsened, uh, Seth convinced himself she was just skinny, not sick. Quote, we were feeding her chicken, potatoes, apples, cheese. We were giving her the good stuff. I want to punch him in the face right now. So basically, according to Seth, he was feeding her the good stuff. So that would mean that something was medically wrong with her. Yeah, but we all know that nothing was medically wrong with the baby. And what Seth was saying was a lie. We all know that, right? Lambs. Okay, remember, because on August 1st, he’d admitted that, what he hadn’t fed the baby all day. No food, no water, nothing. Now you want to say, oh, we were feeding her chicken, potatoes, apples, cheese, all the good stuff. Really? You forget you already told us what you did on the 1st, right? On August 6, 2018, Tatiana and Seth were formally charged with felony murder and first degree child abuse. During their arraignment, video of their reactions went viral online. After hearing that they faced life imprisonment without parole if convicted, Tatiana started sobbing while Seth sat with his mouth wide open. Now I don’t understand why Seth is so shocked. According to you, Seth, survival of the fittest, right? I guess you’re about to find that out for yourself. Also, I have these pictures and three videos of the case, including this moment which made me want to slap him when I saw his face. And it’s in the Patreon as part of the case extras you get for being part of the LaM Patreon fam, starting at only $3 a month. Patreon.com uh, loveandmurder Seth continued to maintain his innocence and said that the autopsy had been done lazily. And said that there has got to be some other reason for his daughter’s death. He also said, as he put it, quote, she died. It’s a tragedy. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh. Seth said that his daughter wasn’t crying and died without a sound in her sleep. Yeah, because, and I freaking quote, her organs were failing, her muscles wasted to the point that she couldn’t even lift her head. So is anyone else pissed off or is it. Is it just me? Can somebody hand me a glass of their apple juice, please? Because, uh, let me know in the comments so that I know I’m not going through this alone. Just. Okay. I know I’m making all these noises. I’m getting myself together. Seth’s and Tatiana’s trials were conducted separately. Seth’s trial was first in January of 2020. Assistant Prosecutor Kim Richardson told the jury that Mary’s death wasn’t quick. It was weeks of suffering. She called it torture. The jury saw photos of Mary’s frail body, her arms and legs thin as sticks, her face skeletal. Quote, she looked like a hundred year old baby, all skin and bones. Her muscles were atrophy. Her body ate itself. Mary had little muscle that she could not cry or move her arms. This is what felony murder and child abuse in the first degree looks like. They also presented to the court that two of their three children had never been seen by a licensed medical professional. The prosecution also reveals Seth’s disturbing mindset. They said he believed Mary was, quote, too small and weak to help out on the farm and viewed her as an inconvenience. They tied this in with all his talk about natural selection, survival of the fittest, and his suggestion that the weak die off. They described what the home looked like to give the jury a clear picture. When you walked in, you immediately encountered religious messaging, large plywood signs which displayed verses and warnings about judgment. Further inside, biblical quotes adorned, uh, walls. Instead of family photos online, Seth painted himself as some kind of religious authority. His Facebook page was filled with hours of self recorded sermons where he ranted about what he called, quote, worldly systems. In one video, he even claimed hospitals were places where, quote, they sacrificed children. That kind of thinking completely cut him and his family off from normal health care. His posts weren’t just rants. They doubled as his justification. He used what he viewed as religion to back up every choice he made for his family, building a public record that twisted what he called faith into an excuse for neglect over and over again. He called doctors and nurses part of a cult. The enemies of what he said, quote, true believers. Tamara Flowers, who stayed at the Welch home for a short time in July 2018, testified that she noticed baby Mary’s sunken cheeks and was so disturbed by how Seth treated her that she almost called child protective services. Should I say what’s on my mind or should I not? I’m going to say kind of what’s on my mind. I don’t like people who see children going through obvious neglect and either turn a, ah, blind eye to it or say stuff like, I almost, I was going to. Why didn’t you? What stopped you? Did he say if you did, he was going to come over and slash your entire family? I don’t, I don’t accept people like that. I don’t like people like that. If you see a child is going through obvious neglect. I’m not talking about you saw a, uh, mother whack their child on the bottom in the store. I’m talking about you saw a baby who looked like a fricking skeleton and then you did nothing about it. I don’t accept that kind of person. I don’t like that kind of person. And also, this is my podcast and I don’t want to hear victim blaming. Don’t tell me about victim blaming or whatever. I’m not blaming the victim. I am talking to somebody who could have called CPS but didn’t. Now there’s a possibility that CPS wouldn’t have come through. There’s a possibility that they would have come through and done nothing. But at least you tried. In this instance, you almost tried. What does that do? What does the almost do? And I’m talking to every single person out there that has sat on their asses and let this happen to children. If somebody has told you that this person sexually abused them or touched them and their babies and you’re just like, oh, uh, uh-huh. You know how Uncle Jim is. I’m talking to you. If you’re a person who Saw children with no food in the house and a, uh, eight year old looks like they’re five and they’re about 30 pounds or, I don’t know, 15 pounds. And you said, you know, I don’t know if something’s right in that house, I’m almost going to call cps. I’m talking to you. This is who I’m talking to. And I’m not going to be shy about it. Y’ all should be freaking ashamed of yourselves and every. Okay, I’m going to calm down. Okay. Anyway, then the forensic pathologist, Dr. David Start, testified, first talking about Mary’s weight, then saying that such severe deterioration couldn’t, uh, have happened overnight. Quote, it was a chronic withholding of food and water. Mary’s condition, like I said, would have taken weeks to reach such an extreme state. Her body showed unmistakable signs of prolonged starvation. Sunken cheeks, visible bones, and severe muscle wasting that left her unable to lift her head. So I already told you all that, but I’m, um, letting you know what they brought to the court so the jury could get a full picture of what was happening. Medical evidence showed that Mary’s body had clear, visible signs of starvation, signs that would be impossible for anyone to miss. Anyone who saw her and, um, almost called cps. But her internal damage was even worse. The autopsy showed visible injuries to her lungs, heart and abdominal organs. Her thymus gland was shrunking and her bone marrow had stopped producing white and red blood cells. Experts say her muscles had wasted away so severely that she, quote, couldn’t crawl or lift her head. The extent of her muscle loss and organ damage matched what doctors see in cases of long term starvation. An expert witness confirmed that Mary’s death was caused by malnutrition and dehydration. In simple terms, she had been slowly starved to death over time. And through all of this, neither parent had ever sought medical help, even though it would have been obvious to anyone, uh, that she was dying. The first responders from that night testified that the infant’s, quote, eyes and cheeks were sunken into her head, and the baby was cold to the touch. Upon discovery, one deputy even choked up on the witness stand while describing Mary’s condition. Seth’s defense attorney, Charles clapped. Um, do I want to go into this? Defense tried to frame it as a matter of faith, arguing that the couple stayed away from doctors because of their religious beliefs. He said, quote, ineptitude and mistaken religious beliefs do not equal child abuse. Other members of his defense team echoed that argument, saying Seth and Tatiana weren’t nutritionalists. Or dietitians. They just thought Mary was naturally thin, not dying. They insisted the couple never meant to hurt her. I, I, I don’t honestly know how some defense attorneys sleep at night. Like, I just, whoa, I, that is one job you could not pay me to do. Because first of all, I’d be terrible at it. Because I’m gonna say guilty. Yona. I mean, sorry, my client, he said that, um, yeah, he didn’t know she was starving. Guilty. And, uh, yeah, your honor, I think my client wants to, um. And, uh, yeah, your honor, I think my client wants to say he’s not guilty or self defense or something. Guilty. Like that would be me. I would be terrible at this job. There couldn’t be, there’s not any amount of money that you would be able to pay me the life for. Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad people. I’m sorry. And I’m not even kidding, because I know some people are like, what, uh, about a billion dollars? No. Money goes. And money does cause a lot of problems. Don’t get me wrong. Money is nice to have. It does solve a lot of problem, but it also causes a lot of problems. And how would my child look at me like, here, I’m giving you this money for college and paying for your home college. But it came off of the fact that, you know, I tried to get murderers of little children off. Aren’t you so proud of your mom? Judge Sarah Smolensky said that Mary’s death was not due to, quote, one missed meal. This was weeks and weeks of neglect. This wasn’t about being very skinny. This was about being dead. In January 2020, Seth Welch was convicted of first degree murder. And in June, he was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Asshole. I hope he meets his survival of the fittest while he’s in there. In October 2021, Tatiana, uh, went to trial. Side note, Tatiana initially pleaded no contest to charges of second degree murder and second degree child abuse, but was allowed by the court to withdraw that plea and proceed to jury trial. The prosecution’s case was similar to what was in Seth’s trial. Tatiana’s defense, however, was different. Very different. It was led by attorney Damian Nunzio, who claimed that she wasn’t a monster. She was, in fact, a victim. He argued that years of domestic abuse had left her mentally broken and unable to properly care for Mary. On the stand, Tatiana described years of violence and control at Seth’s hands. She said he raped and beat her, but recounted one terrifying moment when, quote, he takes the AK out Of the closet. And he tells me to get on my knees and he puts the gun to my head. She also told the court about the time Seth tried to perform an exorcism on her while she was pregnant, hitting her over and over while shouting what he said, quote, demon be gone. Attorney nunzio said by the time Mary died, Tatiana’s reality was completely shaped by seth, that she had a framed perspective and was just a shell of who she’d been before meeting him. He argued that she’d been brainwashed and prevented from caring from her baby the way she wanted to. But during cross examination, prosecutors pushed back hard, asking, how could she possibly have not noticed how severely malnourished Mary was, Especially when the autopsy showed that the baby hadn’t eaten in days. They also pointed out that she admitted that they had avoided seeking medical help, partly because of, quote, their fear of having her children removed by child protective services. On October 15, the jury deliberated for just three hours before finding her guilty of first degree murder and first degree child abuse. The following month, on November 17, Kent County Judge Paul j. Denifield sentenced Tatiana. But before sentencing, judge denifield addressed a court saying, quote, this is a tragic case. From where I’m sitting, I’m not sure that I’ll ever understand what these parents were doing or thinking to, I guess I would have to say, literally watch their child starve to death. He then gave her an identical life sentence without parole possibility, plus an additional 15 to 30 years to run concurrent with the life sentence for the child abuse conviction. She was also ordered to pay fines and court costs. Tatiana remained silenced during her sentences. Her attorney immediately announced plans to appeal the verdict. 34 year old Tatiana is currently incarcerated at, uh, heron valley complex women’s and 34 year old Seth is currently at macabre correctional facility. In 2020, it was reported that the couple’s surviving children were all doing well in foster care. And get this, they had another child who was born in January 2019 while Tatiana was in jail. Can you imagine that they were still having kids? Dr. Ray Barfield, ah, a professor of pediatrics and christian philosophy at, ah, duke university, said of the complex interaction between religious, uh, freedom and child welfare. Quote, there’s going to be some things that are downright abuse that could be legally justified by saying, it’s part of my religion. Going forward, Michigan authorities are now under tighter scrutiny in cases where parents use religion as a reason to avoid medical care. This case set two important precedents. First, it made it clear that when religious beliefs put a Child’s life at risk, the state has a duty to step in. And second, it reinforced the fear of CPS involvement, which Tatianna even mentioned herself. Doesn’t excuse medical neglect. So I do want to put in here letting the state step in at every avenue of raising your child I don’t agree with. So, for instance, would the state say it’s child abuse if you didn’t get a flu vaccine for your child and mentioned that, you know, I’m not doing this for my religious beliefs and because that’s not putting a child in danger. But if you’re seeing that the child is literally not eating anything, uh, and then the person is saying, yeah, well, we starve for religious beliefs and this child is two, then I can see somebody stepping in, you know, so it kind of becomes a slippery slope when the state has to step in, because in the medical field, some things are done just purely for money, and it actually has no necessity behind it. So that’s what I wanted to say. I just don’t think there should be, like, a blanket statement. The state has to step in if there’s clear. What do you consider clear? Abuse. Because even discipline in your child. Now the state is saying abuse. Like, if your child calls 911 and said, my dad was yelling at me, they might arrest that father. So it’s like, you have to know what the clear lines are. Yelling at a child because the child hasn’t done their chores in a week. I, uh, I don’t think that’s child abuse. I mean, his. It’s not child abuse, but yelling at a child and calling them all kind of bees and whores and stuff like this because I didn’t know they had a Victoria’s Secret magazine because they were trying to buy bras or something. Yeah, that’s kind of extreme. So you see what I’m saying? Like, where does. Where’s the line? According to the state. Now, the most haunting part of this case is how preventable this all was. Mary didn’t die because of an illness. She died because her parents chose not to believe in help. They convinced themselves that, as they said, doctors were evil and that faith alone could heal. But even that was bullshit and a bullshit excuse, as there was nothing to heal because they weren’t feeding her. Mary didn’t stand a chance. So what are your thoughts on this case? You’ve heard all mine throughout this episode. Now I want to hear yours. Let me know in the comments below or even over into Patreon. You know, I always love to read what you have to say. And speaking of your comments, let me read a couple of yours. As usual, whatever cases I’ve mentioned in this episode, the link to them will be in the show notes below. The first comment comes from a case where a father said he accidentally stabbed his daughter while they were playing, but forensic evidence painted a very different picture. It was the case of Simon Victors and Chelli. Xoxo said, I’m from the uk, I believe is innocent and from what I remember, Shelley, I thought he was innocent too. Even in the update episode I still thought he was innocent. And if you haven’t heard that case, go back and listen and you know, even though it’s old, let me know if you thought he was innocent or not. Let me know if you thought it was an accident or not. The next comment comes from a very sad case of a father who murdered his child. This was a two parter. The first part of this case I’d actually interviewed the child’s mother. And the second part of this case, I gave you the actual case. Both of the links are in the show notes below. Now, Husna said, uh, what a shame. Just looking at Prince’s smile makes me feel so sad. The only consolation is that he didn’t die in vain. A serial killer was stopped in his tracks. A serial killer was stopped in his tracks. And thank you for naming the judge that allowed him unsupervised visits. He deserves to be shamed. So being part of the LaM fam gets you case extras like I told you earlier in the episode, so you do get to see pictures of everyone involved, the crime scene when available, evidence and videos of the trial or interrogation, all if available, if I could find it. I usually gather everything so you don’t have to do the searches yourself. You can just listen to the episode and as you’re listening you can see everything there. And then if you wanted to go deeper into the episode, you could listen to the interrogation videos if they’re there, or the trial. So you get all of these extras simply by joining the LaM Patreon Fam on our Patreon, starting at only $3 a month. Patreon.com loveandmurder thanks for your comment, Houston. Shelley, your input is so much appreciated. Now for the other two comments that I wanted to address. The first one came from the case of Amora uh, Bain Carson, who was 13 months old and found brutally murdered in her Texas home. Her mother, Jessica Carson and boyfriend Blaine Milam claimed demons possessed a child, but as investigators said, they uncovered hours of torture 24 bite marks, broken bones, sexual assault and unimaginable abuse. 13 months old. So if you want to listen to that, brace yourself. It’s a really hard listen. So the first comment from this case is a comment I do appreciate and it came from Nizuko Bites. And they said, as I look at my 13 year old son, I just don’t understand that poor sweet baby girl. Everyone involved failed her, including the bystanders. Now, Nezuko, you heard that case. You know, I feel the same way as you do. Thanks for your comment. And as you can hear in this case that I just finished doing, you know, I feel the same way you do. Now, the comment I want to address is from another user who said, I’d take you a bit more seriously if you stop speculating and tell people about the evidence that wasn’t presented to the court and the evidence was that was tampered with. Oh, and that bite marks are no longer used as evidence as they are not accurate and have been labeled junk science. Blaine had FAS and a very low iq. He asked a nurse in prison if he would go to hell for confessing to something he didn’t do. I don’t know what she said to him, but he, quote, confessed. So this came from that user who I’m not going to name. And I’m going to say this again. Uh, I haven’t had to say this in a while, but here you go. You’re telling me to stop speculating and tell people about the evidence that wasn’t presented in court. I run a true crime channel. I use the resources available to me, which because of some snide comments, I, uh, now mostly leave all the links I use in my research on my site. I do as deep of a dive as I can into each case and I do give it my all. Now, if this information wasn’t available online to me and I didn’t see all of this, I didn’t put it out. If I saw it, obviously I would have put it out. I don’t give one side of a story. You have to remember. Well, you don’t have to remember. You don’t have to do anything like you didn’t have to leave a comment. But I’m going to say you have to remember that, number one, I do everything alone and number two, I do multiple cases a month, multiple cases a week. Actually. If the only thing you can leave for me is negative feedback because I didn’t dive as deep into a case as you’d like, then why don’t you start your own true crime channel and dive as deep into as many cases as you’d like. Uh, seriously, I’d take you more seriously if you were to do that. All you had to do instead of saying, I would take you more seriously is literally just say, hey, this is the part that you left out. I would have been very thankful for that. And I would actually have done an episode after I did my research. Of course, on what you said I left out, I would have done that instead of coming on here and basically telling you to bite me hard. People in their negative comments really annoy the frick out of me because it really takes up none of your time to just think to yourself, hmm, huh? No, I don’t like this podcast. And move on with your life. It takes nothing from you to do that. The second comment that I want to address came from the case of Patrick Profried, a father who shot his newborn baby with a crossbow. And that case was narrated by my AI co hosts. Now, someone, uh, took their precious time to leave a comment and write, ew, why the F is there AI? So I’m just going to read off to you what I wrote to that person who left that comment. So I said, because I run this podcast 100% alone, I use these AIs as my co hosts. After I asked my community for permission and they gave me permission to do it, like, 99.99% of people said, do it. Um, I only came across one or two people who said no. So I went with the majority of my community. I host Monday full episodes myself, and my AI co hosts work Wednesday and Friday mini episodes that I have researched and written myself. And then I put it into this AI voice generator, and then I listen to the case three times to make sure it sounds fine. So it’s not just, yeah, AI researched this, wrote this, and, uh, it took me five minutes. No, it takes me days to even do those. And then sometimes my AI co hosts take over Monday if I need a mental break, and if I need, uh, a sick day, whatever. Sometimes my AI co hosts take over even the Mondays. Do you have an issue with that, too? Now, as I told the previous person, if you didn’t like it, you don’t have to stay. You didn’t even have to comment. My community understands my predicament and why I use it. And my community is who matters to me. Not your little naysaying, but it doesn’t matter. You didn’t have to leave a comment. And I also ended it with telling them, thanks for stopping by. Because regardless if you left a negative comment or not, you still gave me numbers. So thank you. Now, as y’ all know, my lamb fam. My precious lambs. You know, I normally don’t address negative comments, but you know, I haven’t had a bunch of negative comments in a while, you know. But I addressed these two for a couple of reasons. So don’t get used. Don’t sit here leaving me negative comments. Think I’m going to address it. More than likely it’s just going to get deleted or it’s going to get ignored and nobody’s going to see it except for you. So you just wasted your time. But the reason why I addressed these two comments was, number one, that because I haven’t gotten these types of comments in a long time, I figured it was time for a reminder of my whys, like why there’s a high co host and why maybe I didn’t do as deep of a dive as you think I should have done. Which you could have just written bigger platforms where I get my information from and you could have told them. Like I said, all the links to my research is in the show notes on my website for each episode. Well, most episodes I’m going to say, so you could have reached out to the bigger platforms and said, hey, why didn’t you go? But instead you come to me, but cool. So I had to remind everyone why. Maybe if you knew more about this case. And I missed one or two things. Uh, why I missed one or two things. It’s not on purpose because I want to go. I want to go as deep into the case as I possibly can to find out the whys and find out if this person is innocent or guilty or whatever. This is what I want to do. I want to tell a true story. And then the second reason why I address these comments is, you know, basically referred back to number one. It was time for a reminder. So anyways, that’s it for my pettiness. That’s all the comments I have for you. Most of the time I get really nice comments. Like I said, if I’m mispronouncing something, you could let me know. You don’t have to be a douchebag. You can let me know in the comments very nicely. I love being corrected. I love being corrected. I am only human. And if you correct me, I will post that comment or even say it on air that, you know, this person corrected me. I made a mistake here. I did this. I don’t mind it, but don’t come at me with your negativity. I run a true crime podcast. I have enough negativity in my life, and I don’t need yours. And most of the time is going to be ignored anyway. So you only wasting your time. Not mine, babe. Anyways, let me know your thoughts on this case. Let me know your thoughts on those comments if you want to. Don’t forget to join the Patreon so you can help love and murder keep going. You can be a voice of the victims. You can see, uh, these case extras that I’m going to have in there, which is I’m going to have the interrogations. I’m going to. I think it’s just the. The videos of the interrogations, and they’re pretty long, so brace yourselves. And I have when they told them that, you know, they might be facing life in prison and how Seth’s face was like, are you serious? I just murdered my daughter. I can’t believe I might be facing life in. Okay, but anyway, so I have that in there, as well as pictures. And the case extras only start off at the $3 a month. So if you wanted to get in there, you wanted to be a voice of the victim, you wanted to get some extras, but you’re on a budget, it’s only $3 a month. If you go higher, you get higher tiers, then you get bonus episodes and everything like that. But at $3 a month tier, you do get those bonuses, which is the case extras, videos, all of that stuff. Any little bit helps. It helps keep us on the air. Remember, I’m doing this all alone, so it helps me be able to do my research and do everything that I need to do. And once I reach a certain level of support, the AIs will be gone. Because then I could hire a team to help out, and I could be back on Wednesdays and Fridays. So, you know, uh, the comment, who had a problem with my AI? Head on over to my Patreon, Invest in my company then, and then I’ll be able to hire a team and no more AI. Or you could just move along if you didn’t like it. Patreon.com uh, forward/loveandmurder. And like, I like to end every full episode. I want y’ all to say it with me now and say it with your whole chest, because this episode and the comments after this episode need to hear it. It’s all love and no murder, y’. All. Thanks for listening. Thank you for your time as usual. Thank you so much for your support. And I will see you in the next episode. Bye, Sat M.