“I Thought It Was a Dream” Teen Kills Twin Sister, Sleepwalking or Murder? | Benjamin Elliott

A Texas teenager, Benjamin Elliott, called 911 claiming he had killed his twin sister, Meghan Elliott, while sleepwalking. Despite expert testimony supporting a parasomnia defense, a jury ultimately rejected the claim and convicted him of murder.

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The 911 Call That Shocked Investigators

At 4:41 a.m. on September 29, 2021, a 17-year-old boy called 911 and said something almost impossible to process.

“I just killed my sister… I thought it was a dream.”

On the other end of the line, the dispatcher attempted to guide him through CPR as he cried and called out for his parents. Inside the home in Katy, Texas, his twin sister Meghan was dying.

From the outside, this was a family that appeared stable, loving, and close. The twins shared nearly everything—schools, routines, and what many described as an unspoken twin connection. Benjamin was known to be protective of Meghan, who was autistic and often relied on him for comfort.

There was no known conflict. No history of violence.

Which is what made this case so difficult to understand.


Benjamin’s Account: “I Thought It Was a Dream”

Benjamin told investigators that he woke up standing in Meghan’s room holding a knife. He described the experience as a “realistic nightmare,” saying everything felt real but not quite right—like he wasn’t fully awake.

He said he realized it wasn’t a dream when he heard Meghan make a sound.

According to his account, he panicked. He attempted to stop the bleeding and then called 911.

But as investigators began reconstructing the timeline, questions quickly emerged.


The Sleepwalking Defense vs. The Evidence

Phone data revealed that Benjamin had been awake and using his phone until just 24 minutes before the 911 call. That detail became central to the defense’s argument—that he had fallen into a deep sleep within that short window and experienced a parasomnia episode.

Medical experts for the defense supported this theory. They testified that Benjamin had a documented history of sleepwalking and could enter deep, non-REM sleep unusually quickly. One expert described the situation as a “perfect storm” involving sleep deprivation, environment, and access to a weapon.

The prosecution, however, saw the evidence differently.

They focused on the nature of the attack—two stab wounds instead of one, the depth and precision of the injuries, and the lack of blood spatter in places where it might be expected. They also pointed to Benjamin’s language after the incident, including his reference to the home as “the crime scene.”

To them, these details suggested awareness—not unconscious behavior.


The Trial and the Question of Intent

Ultimately, the case came down to a single question: was this a voluntary act, or something that occurred in a state where Benjamin had no control?

After a week-long trial in 2025, the jury deliberated for approximately five hours before reaching a verdict.

They found him guilty.

Even then, the decision was not straightforward. Jurors reportedly asked for leniency during sentencing, acknowledging the complexity of the case. The judge ultimately sentenced Benjamin to 15 years in prison.


A Case That Leaves Unanswered Questions

Today, the case continues to raise difficult and uncomfortable questions.

It forces people to consider the possibility of harm occurring without conscious intent—and what accountability should look like in those situations.

Because at the center of it all is a question that still doesn’t have a clear answer:

What happens when someone causes irreversible harm… but claims they weren’t truly awake to do it?

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FAQ: Benjamin Elliott Sleepwalking Murder Case

What happened in the Katy, Texas case involving Benjamin and Meghan?

In September 2021, a 17-year-old boy called 911 saying he had killed his twin sister, Meghan. He claimed he believed he was dreaming at the time. The case later focused on whether the act occurred during a sleepwalking episode.

What is parasomnia and how was it used in the defense?

Parasomnia is a sleep disorder that can cause people to perform actions while not fully conscious. The defense argued that Benjamin experienced a parasomnia episode, meaning he was not aware of his actions during the incident.

What evidence did the prosecution use against him?

The prosecution pointed to phone activity shortly before the incident, the nature of the injuries, and behavioral details after the attack. They argued these factors indicated awareness rather than unconscious movement.

What was the outcome of the trial?

In 2025, after a week-long trial, the jury found Benjamin guilty. He was sentenced to 15 years in prison, with jurors reportedly requesting leniency due to the complexity of the case.

Now part of the Darkcast Network. Welcome to Indie Podcasts with a dark side. At, uh, 4:41am on September 29, 2021, 17 year old Benjamin Elliott called. 91 1, I just killed my sister. Oh my God. I thought it was a dream. The operator answered, okay, is there any serious bleeding? The caller said, yes, I stabbed her in the neck. The operator asked, is she completely alert? Benjamin responded, yes, I stabbed her in the neck. The operator asked, is she completely alert? Benjamin said, no, she’s barely alive. When the operator asked for even more detail, he said, I took my knife and I stabbed her. Please, I don’t want her to die. I’m so sorry. He explained that they were twins, both 17, and that his parents were asleep in the house. On the recorded call you can hear Benjamin crying out for his parents quote, mom, dad as the operator instructed him to begin cpr. Welcome LaMs. Welcome to Love and Heartbreak to Homicide, your weekly true crime podcast telling you cases of relationships that turn to murder. I’m your host Ky and in today’s episode I’m telling you about a case where the courtroom had to answer a mind boggling can someone commit murder while they’re asleep? Before we get into it, if you’ve been following the Gerhardt Coned case, you already know that I’ve been covering it day by day over on the patreon patreon.com/loveandmurder with my real time commentary updates and the stuff I can’t always put on the public feed. If you want to hear my day to day commentary as the trial unfolds, not after the fact, then join the patreon patreon.com/loveandmurder uh, at the $10 a month tier you’re guaranteed at least two bonus episodes a month plus after shows, case files and the unfiltered breakdowns that go deeper than what you hear here. And you’re helping keep this podcast listener funded while amplifying victims voices. patreon.com/loveandmurder now let’s get back to this case of love and murder. Kathy, a uh, senior manager for the Girl Scouts and Michael, a stay at home father, had raised their twins, Benjamin and Meghan in a loving home in Katy, Texas. The twins shared not just their birthdays, but virtually every aspects of their formative lives. They attended the same schools, participated in many of the same activities, and were constants in each other’s daily lives. Classmates and neighbors said that the Elliott twins appeared to have that mystical twin connection, finishing each other’s sentences Sharing inside jokes and instinctively understanding each other’s thoughts and feelings. Now I gotta say, when, whenever the twins, whenever there are twins who finish each other’s sentences, I love it. I remember the Mowri twins, they used to do that when they first, first came out and then they stopped. And then they gave an interview saying that the reason they stopped was because their publicist, uh, told them that people like, are, uh. I forgot exactly the reason. But it’s like people are disconcerted when they hear that and they need to practice not doing that. You shouldn’t have listened to your publicist. Most of us think it’s so cool. That’s so cool. That’s such a cool trait to like finish each other’s sentences constantly. So you shouldn’t listen to your publicist. But I just wanted to say that Benjamin was the quote, soft spoken, smart, funny, engineering enthusiast, while Meghan was a quote, sensitive artist and poet who had been diagnosed with autism. Benjamin took his role as her protector seriously and Meghan often walked close to him when she felt uncomfortable. The Elliot family home represented, uh, stability and normalcy. Michael and Cathy had cultivated what appeared to be a loving environment for their children. Friends of the family described their household as warm and nurturing, with both parents actively involved in their children’s lives. Nevertheless, beneath this seemingly idyllic surface, factors were at play that would ultimately contribute to a deadly outcome. Years before the night of the incident, Benjamin had exhibited signs of parasomnia, a sleep disorder characterized by abnormal movements, behaviors and emotions during sleep. These episodes occur during a state of incomplete awakening, neither fully asleep nor fully conscious. So basically they’re saying parasomnia is like, is sleepwalking. And what is being said is that Benjamin had sleepwalked before, but you know, he wasn’t necessarily diagnosed. Sleepwalking arises out of deep non REM sleep, particularly slow wave stages. High density EEG studies show that during these episodes, anterior brain regions associated with executive control remains dominated by slow wave activity, while posterior and motor related regions display more wake like activation. This mismatch allows the body to move and perform complex actions, while higher order awareness, judgment and inhibition remain offline. During genuine sleepwalking episodes, individuals typically cannot form memories, perceive pain or respond normally to their environment. Furthermore, they genuinely cannot execute premeditated plans or conscious intentions from prior wakefulness. These episodes that Benjamin experienced were concerning but never violent. And I kind of just want to get, wanted to give you that backstory on parasomnia on sleepwalking and everything like that. So you go into this case, um, more informed. The night of September 28, 2021 seemed like any other. Michael and Benjamin had spent hours playing video, and especially this one called Survive the Knights. During the game, Benjamin noticed a military style knife that looked like one Michael owned. Michael, whose family enjoyed camping and gear collection, decided to give Benjamin that air force survival knife. It was a gift that he would later regret with every fiber of his being, saying, quote, I know that if I had not given him that knife, this would never have happened. Around 2:30 or 3:30am on September 29, Benjamin told detectives that he woke up in Meghan’s bedroom, standing over her with the survival knife in her neck. He described it as a, quote, realistic nightmare where everything felt real but quote, off. He claimed he realized he wasn’t dreaming when he heard Meghan make a half scream. Panicked, Benjamin removed the knife, turned on the light, and used a pillow to apply pressure to the wound. He ran to his room to grab his phone and called 91 1. At one point during the call, the operator heard Michael saying, quote, what’s going on? And Benjamin answered him, quote, I, uh, killed Meghan. I’m so sorry. And Michael’s response was, quote, you what? Oh my God. When deputies arrived, they found Benjamin doing exactly what the dispatcher had instructed. He was actively performing CPR on Meghan, and they actually made a note to say that he was doing a good job. EMS took over, but Meghan was pronounced dead at the scene. Kathy said that she heard Michael yelling and couldn’t make sense of it until he told her that the police were there. They took Benjamin out of the house. He was shocked. He said it was a dream. As everything was going on, the, uh, Elliotts felt increasingly isolated by police, eventually calling a longtime friend who was also an attorney to gather information about what had happened to their daughter. When speaking to officers at the scene, Benjamin told one officer that he didn’t, quote, deserve respect because he, quote, killed his sister. Benjamin was arrested and sat handcuffed in a police car for three hours while investigators processed and secured the scene. During his interrogation with Detective Freda Munoz at the station, Benjamin was remarkably calm, which initially troubled investigators. He spoke about his plans for college and taking the SAT that coming Saturday. He later said to Detective, um, Munoz, you ever have a really realistic nightmare where, like, just everything feels real but also off at the same time? He described it as a dream state. He said, quote, the next thing I remember is like the feeling of stabbing something. I stabbed her and then suddenly wasn’t dreaming. He described panic in and so I said this before, but I’m going to Read his quote, I freaked out and, like, put the knife down and put a pillow on her to try and stop the bleeding. Then called, you know, 911 from my phone. When asked, uh, where his phone was, he referred to the house as the, quote, crime scene. Benjamin Elliott is asked by Deputy Munoz, where’s your phone? Benjamin Elliott responds with, it’s at the crime scene. This unusual phrasing instead of saying like, my house or my room, raised red flags for investigators. By that afternoon, Benjamin had been formally charged with murder and booked into the Harris County Jail. He was released on a $100,000 bond and remained free for over three years until his trial. After he was released, the family’s daily life reportedly turned into constant fear and monitoring. They moved in with Kathy’s mother because they couldn’t sleep in their home anymore. For the first two nights, Michael slept in a chair in front of Benjamin’s door to monitor him. Eventually, they installed an alarm on Benjamin’s bedroom door for everyone’s safety. In the meantime, the investigation continued. Medical examiners discovered Meghan had not one, but two stab wounds, contradicting Benjamin’s account. One wound measured 4 inches deep, severing both her carotid artery and jugular vein. Investigators asked Benjamin about the knife his father had given him the day before the incident. And he said, quote, I was really enamored with it. He also told them that on that night he’d gone to sleep around 2:30 to 3:30am M. But when police checked his cell phone data usage, it showed that he’d spent hours scrolling the Web until exactly 4:17am Then exactly 24 minutes later at 4:41am is when he called 911. So when he claimed that he’d been asleep for hours, his phone basically told a different story. Only 24 minutes of inactivity accounted for. Which, I mean, unless you have a job or you’re going to school or you have a paper due or just something like that, who actually looks at the time when they’re going to sleep? Like on the weekends, if it’s a Friday night, for instance, and you don’t have anything to do, uh, that Saturday, do you look at the time you’re going to sleep? So you might just give police an estimate. If something happens, like, you know, I don’t want to say anything because I don’t, I don’t want to put that out there. But if something were to happen and, you know, later on, police are asking you, well, what time did you go to bed? Like, I don’t know like the last time I looked at the clock it was like one o’ clock and little do you know, it’s like 4:40 now, you know, So I mean, I don’t really take that seriously because it could have just been the last time he looked at the clock it was 2:30. Let me know what you think about it in the comments below because, I mean, maybe I could be off. Part of the investigation was trying to find out what Benjamin’s mental state was like when the incident happened. And does, uh, the law treat that as murder? Later, witnesses described specific examples they remembered of seeing Benjamin sleepwalking. His older sister Elizabeth, remembered a moment from years earlier where Benjamin just showed up in her doorway of her bedroom and he was unresponsive to her and Meghan calling his name. She said his eyes were barely open, so she touched his shoulder and told him to go back to bed. A childhood friend, Anand, remembered a sleepover where Benjamin was found eating a donut while apparently still asleep. And when he woke up, he was confused, like, what? What’s in my mouth? What, where am I now? Interestingly, the family’s initial fear wasn’t necessarily sleepwalking murder. Cathy’s father was schizophrenic, and so their first fear was that Benjamin was having a psychotic break rather than sleepwalking. But a judge had a psychiatrist examine him before the start of his trial, and they found no evidence of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. Defense attorneys Wes Rucker and Carrie Hart hired Dr. Jared Simmons, a neurologist and sleep expert. After two sleep studies six weeks apart, Dr. Simmons became a believer in Benjamin’s innocence. He found that Benjamin suffered from obstructive sleep apnea, which can trigger sleepwalking. Most importantly, the study showed Benjamin could fall into a non rem slow wave sleep, the stage where sleepwalking occurs in just 11 minutes. On the night of the murder, Benjamin’s phone was inactive for 24 minutes before the 911 call. Enough time Dr. Simmons argued for Benjamin to fall asleep, sleepwalk to Meghan’s room and commit the act involuntarily. Dr. Simmons said, quote unquote, ben definitely killed his sister, but I believe it was part of a parasomnia. He didn’t do this voluntarily. So the case moved forward through that lens. Benjamin as someone who killed Meghan, but did it in a state where he had no conscious control. Legally, that defense is tied to the concept of automatism, meaning an act performed without consciousness or intent. At the same time, though, the state was already building its counter argument. Even before the trial the state focused on the timeline. Phone use until 4:17am then Stabbin and 911 call at 4:41am and questioned whether Benjamin could truly be in slow wave sleep in that short period. They pointed to behavior and language that seemed too aware. They noted that Meghan had two stab wounds, not one. And they pointed out the lack of blood splatter on the walls. They argued that the only way there wouldn’t be blood splatter is if something was covering Meghan’s face when the knife was pulled out. And they suggested the pillow wasn’t used for life saving measures, but to muffle her instead. And then there was Benjamin’s demeanor. Remember when I said that investigators found him suspiciously calm during questioning? Well, later, jurors would reportedly spend time reviewing the interrogation video and focusing on that same calmness. Then, before the trial, prosecutors offered Benjamin a 30 year plea deal and he refused it. He chose to go to trial risking a life sentence to maintain his innocence as to murder. His trial started on February 18, 2025 and lasted one week. Prosecutors Megan Long and Maroon Qatani faced a major hurdle. They didn’t have any motive. They admitted that they couldn’t find any history of conflict or rivalry between the twins. However, they argued that Benjamin’s actions that night were too complex for a sleepwalker. I mean, how do you know? Have you sleepwalked before? And even if you did, you’re not the same as this person. They pointed out that Benjamin used the exact knife he was given just hours earlier. I mean, we could argue that maybe it was like on his desk because he was just given that. So literally that’s like the last thing he remembers. Plus, he was playing video games. So they presented their pillow theory where prosecutor Long argued that Benjamin didn’t use the pillow to stop the bleeding. Quote, the only way for there not to be that blood splatter is that it had to be there when he took the knife out. It wasn’t there for life saving measures. I think he wanted to cover her face, I think maybe even muffle it if she were to scream. They talked about his phone data showing that his phone even recorded his steps to and from his sister’s bedroom, undermining claims of unconscious movement. And that when he was on the phone with 911, he was whispering on the 911 call to avoid wake. And his parents were until the very last moment. They also brought forth that at Benjamin’s bond hearing, he told authorities that he, quote, did not live with sleep irregularities. Prosecutor Long questioned the probability of Benjamin reaching Deep sleep so quickly. I mean, I start falling asleep. Not start, I fall asleep as my head is hitting the pillow. So I could probably reach deep sleep state in under five minutes. So again, this is kind of circumstantial and you’re, you’re putting what you think is normal onto everybody. That’s, that’s. I, I wouldn’t go with that. I mean, I guess if I didn’t have any other, other defense. Because you couldn’t figure out motive. They’ve people who, saying they’ve always been close and, you know, why would he do that? And nobody’s saying that, you know, he had any rivalry with his sister or anything. So I guess you have to come up with something. But you’re given generalistics to situations that are, should be considered on an individual basis. So I kind of don’t like that. So basically with that saying, they were challenging Dr. Simmons assertion that Benjamin could achieve slow wave sleep rapidly enough to be sleepwalking during this narrow time frame. The prosecution brought forth their own doctor, Dr. Mark Pressman, who testified, quote, unquote. I concluded he was not in a sleepwalking state. Dr. Pressman said that Benjamin’s detailed memory was inconsistent with genuine parasomnia. He remembered the feeling of the knife going into the neck. That’s a memory. You shouldn’t be able to have that memory. They presented Benjamin’s unusual testimony when speaking with detectives at the police station, calling his house or room the crime scene. The defense attorney, Rucker, then asked the jury, quote, how could a kid who cherishes his sister commit a crime that heinous without a reasonable explanation? Dr. Simmons testified for four hours, explaining that sleep deprivation and the proximity of the night created a perfect storm. Like I said, the proximity, that’s what I said. He argued that if Benjamin were faking and he would have claimed to remember nothing at all, rather than just being honest about the feeling of the stabbing. Witnesses then testified that Benjamin was very protective of his sister and that their bond was purely positive. Another witness, Dr. Wendy Elliott, not related to the family, was the forensic psychologist who examined Benjamin leading up to the trial. She testified that, quote, at the time of my interview, he was reporting some current mental health issues, but he reported no mental health issues that were evident at the time of the alleged incident. Her testimony was used by the defense to establish that the stabbing was not a result of a mental health crisis such as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, but was instead, uh, consistent with their theory of parasomnia. The Elliot family formed a unified front behind Benjamin, offering Testimony that painted a portrait of a loving brother, not a murderer. Kathy Elliott took the stand, openly sobbing as she testified that her 17 year old twins maintained a harmonious relationship. She emphatically told jurors, quote, there was no reason for Ben to want his sister dead. Elizabeth Elliot provided testimony via Zoom from Georgia, talking about her experience with Benjamin’s sleepwalking behavior. Then a great aunt took the stand to establish that sleepwalking did run in the Elliot family. In closing statements, attorney Long suggested that the family was protecting, uh, Benjamin. There’s so many people here for Benjamin. There’s not one person here for Meghan. Wow, wow. I’m sorry. As a mother, I would have straight cussed his ass out. I would have cussed him out to the contempt of the court. Do you hear me? I wouldn’t care at that point. How dare you are, uh, you fricking kid. Do you think attorney Long was justified in saying that? Let me know your thoughts in the comments below because the cuss that I would have cussed that m out. Look, look, let me know what y’ all think because maybe I’m getting too heated. Anyway, this comment caused audible gasps. So see, it wasn’t just me in the courtroom as the family maintained that they were there for both of their children. I’m so happy that they kept their professionalism because uh, it wouldn’t have been me, I’m telling you right now, I’d have thrown that microphone at that lawyer. Just, just because you can’t find anything to win this case about, don’t come talking about who’s here for Meghan and who’s are you? Look, let me calm down. After deliberating for about four to five hours on February 24, 2025, the jury reached a decision. Though they were initially split seven to five, they ultimately returned a uh, guilty verdict for murder. Benjamin stood blankly as the verdict was read while Kathy and Michael sobbed at ah, the sentencing phase. The next day the prosecution asked for 40 years. However, the jury, despite their verdict, asked Judge Danilio Lucayo for leniency. The judge took into account Benjamin’s lack of criminal history and his good behavior while out on bond. He sentenced the then 21 year old Benjamin to 15 years in prison. In a jailhouse interview following his conviction, Benjamin continued to maintain his innocence, saying, I don’t think this is my fault at all. I couldn’t have done anything any different than what I had done. I remember hearing guilty and I was completely shocked. I feel like this has been a miscarriage of justice. I am not guilty of the murder of my sister Meghan Elliott. He remains incarcerated at the Garza west prison with plans to appeal his conviction. He’ll be eligible for parole in 2032 after serving seven and a half years at the age of 28. Now, it’s interesting to note that parasomnias represent a dark intersection between neuroscience and criminal law, Particularly in cases like Benjamin Elliot’s, where violent acts occur during apparent sleep states. These disorders fundamentally challenge our understanding of consciousness and, and culpability. The sleepwalk and defense has been featured in numerous high profile murder cases with varying outcomes. Probably the most famous is the 1987 case of Kenneth Parks in Canada who drove 14 miles to his in laws home, murdered his mother in law and severely injured his father in law, all allegedly while sleepwalking. Now, I’m going to switch up the episode I was going to do next week, and instead I’m going to do this episode for those of you who are unfamiliar with it, and we can discuss the parallels between these two cases. Anyway, courts often reject sleepwalking defenses when evidence suggests, uh, premeditation or consciousness. There’s another case that happened in 1999 in Arizona where a man stabbed his wife and, and claimed sleepwalking. I’ll do that case in a couple of months. So, like I said before, legal systems typically categorize sleepwalking related violence under automatism, which is acts performed without consciousness or intent. Although the success of such defenses depends, uh, largely on proven the absence of higher cognitive functions during the event. So what are your thoughts on this case? As a member of the jury of the fictional court of love and murder, do you believe the sleepwalking claim, or do you think there was some unknown motive for Benjamin to have killed his twin? I have, uh, my verdict and I guess based on my commentary, you can kind of figure it out. But I will let you know my verdict after you, the fictional LaM jury has told me your thoughts and brought forth your verdict in the comments below. And uh, speaking of your verdicts in the fictional LaM Patreon court, let’s get into the verdict on the case of Marcy Oglesby. Before we get into the verdict though, let’s hear from some LaM jury members. If you didn’t put in your verdict before today, that’s okay. I can always read your comments later. But to be part of this fictional verdict, you have to get your answers in before the next case. So, uh, that’s what I’m saying for the Benjamin Elliot verdict. Go ahead and let me know your thoughts in the comments below. Do you Think he was not guilty? Do you think he was guilty? And tell me why you think he was guilty or not guilty in the comments below. Anyway, LaM Gypsy said about Marcy Oglesby, let her fry. She was probably giving his money to Sunny. They both are responsible for his death. Guilty, guilty, guilty. Which I responded to her. I think she was giving Sonny his money and never even met the man, if it even was a man. Did she ever FaceTime him or anything, you know, but I didn’t even think about the fact that she was probably giving Sonny his money. Did you think about that? While I was telling the case, I didn’t even think about that. I mean, all that money that her husband gave her, thinking that they were about to start a farm, she probably gave all of that to Sonny. I did not even think about that. Anyway, thanks for your comments. So the verdict is guilty. Thank you for your comments. And don’t forget to leave your verdict for this case of, uh, the Benjamin Elliot. So I was going to tell you my verdict next case, but you know what? I decided I’m going to tell you now. I think that Benjamin was sleepwalking based on all of the facts. There is no motive to say that he wanted to kill his sister. He was always her protector and everything like that. Um, I think what the prosecution brought forth was very weak. Uh, they were really given generalistics, which doesn’t suit individuality. I think it was a case of sleepwalking. And I think they erroneously put him in prison. This is what I think. And, you know, even his family thinks that too. Well, you know what? Let me not say even his family thinks that even his family were behind him. You know, they were there. They were saying that he does sleepwalk. They were saying that he loves his sister and everything like this. I’m not going to necessarily say they were behind him because they never specifically said, I don’t think he did it. So I don’t want to put words in anybody’s mouth. But my assumption, and I’m just going to say my opinion and my assumption based on what I was reading from the trial, is that they don’t think he’s guilty. So I actually stand with the family on this one. You know how some families are, they just have blinders on. Like, I don’t think he did it, even though he has a sign saying he did it. In this case, I don’t believe that’s. I don’t believe that’s the case. I believe that he was actually sleepwalking. I think it was Just the whole perfect storm. He just finished playing video games and his father had given that him that knife. He probably just had, you know, a weird dream that he was in the video game and this is what he did. So this is what I think anyway, so let me know your verdict. You don’t have to agree with me. That’s not what this is about. You don’t have to agree with me. Let me know your verdict in the comments below. Let me know why you think he’s guilty or not guilty and I will read your verdict in the next case. Now, uh, let me get into another case and an issue that was brought to my attention. First of all, my name is Kai and I barely ever get embarrassed. Like, it’s hard, hard to embarrass me. That being said, I am super embarrassed right now. Let me read the comment first and then get into this explanation. LaM Joan Evans wrote, why do you keep saying delete through the episode? Were those supposed to be deleted? Oh my God. Now, this was the open bonus episode of my day one commentary of the Gerhardt Koenig case in the Patreon. I’m doing a day by day commentary of the trial right now, as well as posting the full videos of the trial. Now, after the trial is done, I will be posting a public update as I always do anyway. Apparently I put out a completely raw version to the Public Lamp feed. And when I say completely raw version, like you hear me put in my markers where I say delete so I know where to go back and you know, easily delete what was said, what I needed to take out, instead of you hearing the polished finished version. So, oh my God, y’ all heard all that dead silence there. Just me sniffling. I don’t know, you probably heard me yelling at my cat or something. I. I didn’t go back and listen to it again because I didn’t want to hear what y’ all heard because I know I would have been even more mortified. I guess I was just so tired because I’m, um, usually doing those cases at like 1, 2, 3 o’ clock in the morning because I spent all day working and then I have housework and all this other stuff and then I come back and do the day by day cases and it’s usually really, really late at night. So I guess I was so tired that I chose the wrong file. But in the Patreon I checked it was the right file. So it was only on the public LaM feed, where I have more listeners on my public LaM feed than in The Patreon. Oh, my God. But I fixed it. But still. Oh, my God. I’m so sorry to all my lams out there that had to hear my raw file. And hey, if I farted somewhere in there, just know that I did say, excuse me, but at least you know I’m real and not AI. So thank you so much for Joan, for bringing that to my attention. I honestly can’t believe I did that. Uh, anyways, if you want more of me, not. Not that much more of me, not Raw file, more of me, but if you want more of me, especially more cases that don’t make it into the public feed, then join me over on Patreon. patreon.com/loveandmurder Even at the $3 a month tier, you get access to the after show case extras, pictures, videos, articles, and more. patreon.com/loveandmurder. Thank you so much for being here. Oh, my God. Thank you for putting up with that raw version of the episode I put out. Oh, my God. Thank you for listening and thank you for caring about these stories and. And as we end each full episode, say it with me now. It’s all, uh, love and no murder, y’. All. Hey, LaMs. Uh, welcome to the after show. Now, you know, if you’re a LaM Patreon subscriber, then you get the entire after show. But if you’re on a public feed, then you get a little taste. Just a little taste. But if you want to hear the after show, then just join the LaM Patreon fam at. Ah, only $3 a month. Just a $3 a month or above. And you will hear this entire after show. patreon.com/loveandmurder now, as you know, at the after show, it’s usually a case I just want to talk about. And this case, I did write it into an article. And, uh, so I’m just going to read the article off for you. I haven’t put a title on it yet, but a man killed a mother with a meat cleaver. And you won’t even. You won’t even suspect when you hear the ending. You’re just going to be like, the ending is really crazy. So let’s get into it. In the early hours of March 13, 2004, a woman vanished from the streets of Birkenhead, UK. For over a year, her disappearance remained a haunting mystery for her family. No immediate suspect and no clear indication of what had happened to her. The woman, who was 27 years old at the time of her disappearance, was a resident of Birkenhead, and she was a devoted mother to her three children. At the time, she lived in a house with her boyfriend and her children. Those who knew her described her as a woman whose life was centered around her family. Currently, though, police were left with a missing person case that had no body, no confirmed crime scene, and nothing solid to work with. Her family was left in that same position, trying to make sense of how someone could vanish without a trace and whether they would ever get answers. Then, in July 2005, the case took a turn that had nothing to do with the missing woman at all. If you want to hear this full episode, this full after show, then go ahead and join the Patreon the LaM fam. Starting at the three dollar tier and above. patreon.com/loveandmurder that’s right. For only $3 a month, you’d get after shows. You you get case extras, you get trial videos, you get pictures of the crime scene, pictures of the victim, pictures of the perp. You get articles that I put out. You get so much just starting at $3 a month. If you want more bonuses, you can choose any of the higher tiers. That’s all that I have for your preview of the after show. I look forward to seeing you as part of the LaM fam. patreon.com/loveandmurder bye.

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