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Jessica Camilleri was born on October 12, 1993, in Australia, to Vince and Rita Camilleri, along with one older sister, Kristi.
Jessica’s family was her haven, but it was evident from an early age that her path was going to be unlike her sister’s. As Professor David Greenberg would later reveal, Jessica entered the world with an intellectual disability that set her apart. With an IQ ranging from 55 to 60, she resided in the bottom 1 percent of the population, miles away from the average IQ range of 90-110. Look in all honesty, I don’t think anyone knows what a normal IQ is. In researching what it’s supposed to be, I found all kinds of numbers like 90 to 100 and 85 to 115 and more. For the purpose of this case, we’ll stick to 90 to 110.
Despite this, Jessica possessed a unique ability to articulate and communicate, something she liked to do alot – talk.
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Developmental milestones for Jessica followed a different rhythm. Walking, talking, and co-ordination seemed to unfold in their own time, leaving her a few steps behind her peers. Placed in a remedial class at school, her challenges extended to reading, writing, math, and language. This, as you can imagine, came with its own burdens as kids can be so mean. She was the recipient of alot of teasing, bullying, and harassment from her classmates. Because of this, she developed a disorder full of rage – intermittent explosive disorder (IED). According to Psychology Today, IED “is an impulse-control disorder characterized by a failure to resist one’s aggressive impulses, which can lead to frequent “explosions”—incidents of verbal aggression in the form of temper tantrums, threats, or tirades, or physical attacks on other people and their possessions, causing bodily injury and property damage.”
“This is not just normal anger, it is a mental disorder that usually starts at the age of 6, and intensifies in adolescence and early adulthood.”
Autism was another piece of the puzzle that Jessica carried with her. Because of her autism, she didn’t really understand others’ thoughts, feelings, and empathy bore its own unique imprint due to her condition.
“Deficits in judgment and awareness of other people’s thoughts, feelings and empathy”.
Growing up, her life was marked by a series of challenges in everyday activities that seems simple for everyone else, like, grocery shopping, taking public transport, banking, household chores, or finding a job. Her attempts to navigate like was as if you tried to finish a puzzle, but key pieces were missing.
But there was more to Jessica’s story. Her autism drew her into a world of fixation, leading her towards a fascination with horror movies. This fixation, unchecked and unguided, became a part of her narrative. Hours upon hours spent watching the same videos became her norm, a comfort zone in the realm of her own mind.
“She spent hours and hours every day for weeks, months, years, decades looking at the same videos.”
Then, living life with IED made things more of a struggle,
“She explains that when she perceives a person is looking at her strangely or disrespectfully, she had minor reaction. But if they touch her or does something physically, she loses all control.”
School witnessed these eruptions, as classmates and even teachers became targets of her explosive outbursts. Jessica would often bite other students – and it seemed like it was almost always females. I say almost because one time she bit a student who was male and wouldn’t let go. After this, she was suspended from school.
“After leaving school, she was placed in supportive environments where she had explosive outbursts and was asked to leave. She was unable to cope in all of these environments, so she ended up on disability support pension, [and eventually when it came into being] the NDIS.” And you already know me LaMs, when I don’t know what something is, I look it up. So, according to ndis.gov.au, “NDIS provides funding to eligible people with disability to gain more time with family and friends, greater independence, access to new skills, jobs, or volunteering in their community, and an improved quality of life. The NDIS also connects anyone with disability to services in their community.”
When she was a teen her parents separated. Vince, her father, had issues that even though Jessica was terrible to her mother, Rita couldn’t discipline her. I mean, why couldn’t he try to help? Then he would probably see how hard it is to discipline someone with IED – not that I know; I’ve never met anyone with it. But I could imagine.
Once, Rita was so desperate to get Jessica to behave that she – as her sister Kristy later said “paid a medium $2500 to get the demon out of Jessica.”
The family tried to keep Jessica home as much as possible and out of harms way – or harming other people.
Now, one thing to note about Jessica – she seemed to target women to hurt (as I said before) but she loved talking to men; finding excitement in these exchanges.
“She prefers to talk to men, because that excites her. She is not particularly interested in talking to women, if they insult her or become angry or distressed by her calls, she becomes distressed and that kicks into her IED.”
Jessica’s autistic traits extended to a fixation on numbers and colors; basically assigning colors to number which is a condition known as neurasthenia. So for instance, to her the number 2 was yellow, number 3 was green, and number 5 was purple. So if you were to say 2 to her, she would literally see yellow in her mind. Phone numbers intertwined with colors, and she would dial numbers she invented, based on the color code that made her feel good, and then just try to speak with whoever answered. One time, she called this this family about 100 times a day just because she liked the number.
Of course, she would try extra hard to get the person to speak to her if it was a man who answered.
In early 2018, Jessica’s fixation evolved into something more troubling. Calling the numbers of a meat company in Daylesford, she harassed the staff and turned her attention turned to the boss, Matthew Layfield. When he wouldn’t talk to her, she began trying to speak with his male staff and when that didn’t work, she called Matthew’s sister in law and wife and threatened them saying, “I’ll cut your head off with a chainsaw and flush it down the toilet”
Matthew then called Rita, Jessica’s mother, and told her what was going on.
In the meantime, Jessica was still being Jessica; her fixation wasn’t just towards Matthew. She would go out and be aggressive towards strangers in the street – women. She’d also tried to fight a female patient in the waiting room when she’d gone to the doctor. She was trying so hard to hurt this woman that she had to be restrained.
Because of all of this, she’d been banned from stores, banned from this doctor’s office, and probably some other places that weren’t even reported.
Her mother, at her wits end, took her to the Nepean Hospital in the western part of Sydney and she was admitted in the psychiatric unit for severe mood disorder. She was administered lithium, for bipolar disorder, as well as antipsychotic medicines. She was only admitted for nine days before she was released.
Pause here. I have some experience with mental health issues and psych wards. I’m not going to go into it because it’s not my business to tell, but I will say, mental health laws need to be rexamined and changed IMMEDIATELY to better care for and benefit those dealing with it. It ends up affecting the person, the family, and any one in the vicinity of the person; whether stranger or not. Hospitals need to be more accomodating, insurance needs to be more accomodating, police need to be trained on what to be on the look out for, and so much more. But I know it’s easier said than done because – well, I’m not gonna get into it. I just wish there was a fix for this.
OK, that’s enough of Ky’s corner. Let’s continue with the case.
By late 2018, Jessica had stopped taking her medication which she’d been put on to suppress her IED. Just a note for those who don’t know, mentally ill patients stopping their medication is a usualy symptom of their mental illness.
By 2019, Jessica had had a reasonable amount of therapy; she’d been regularly seeing multiple psychiatrists. Even so, her progress was painstakingly slow and “the gains … have been very small … because of her mental disorder.” Her autism, IED, and intellectual disability exacerbated each other – this is why her progress was so slow.
July 20, 2019 Jessica and Rita were having a bad day. Jessica felt that her mother was paying more attention to another family member and not giving her enough attention. Later in the day, she said that her mom embarrassed her in front of some guy – when in reality the man was just walking past them minding his own business.
As the day continued, they visited her sister’s house, all the while arguing – well Jessica was arguing and her mother was trying to calm her down.
“A neighbor saw Camilleri ‘yelling and throwing her arms about, and ‘swearing and screaming at her mother’ for ‘always embarrassing’ her.”
At some point, a doctor was called to the house due to intense stomach pangs Jessica was experiencing. The doctor told her that she was suffering from stomach issues and Rita wanted her to go to the hospital. Jessica strongly declined and when her mother tried to call an ambulance, Jessica ripped the phone out of her mother’s hands.
As the evening continued, Jessica had a change of heart and ask her mother to call the doctor again, however; when the doctor arrived, the doctor ran out of the house saying that she was “in fear of her life.” Damn. Jessica chased the doctor down the driveway until the doctor jumped in her car and peeled off.
After this, Jessica said she was hungry and called the Red Rooster diner at 9:18p, 9:20p, and 9:21p until they told her to stop calling.
Although Rita had tried to calm Jessica down all day, she saw that this wasn’t going to happen. Jessica was escalating.
“I’ve had enough. I’m ringing triple-0, to get an ambulance here and put you back into care, back into the mental health care system.” Jessica said (the hell you are) and started fighting her mom. At first they started wrestling, trying to get her not to make the call. She hit her mother so hard that she fell to the ground. Then she dragged her, by her hair, to the kitchen and restrained her.
At around 11pm, 000 (911 in US and 999 in UK) got a call
When police arrived, they found Jessica standing outside of her house, wearing a blue dress with flowers on it and drenched in her mother’s blood. She pointed and said, “Mum’s head is on the concrete over there? Can they sew the head back on?” She just kept repeating that. She then asked,
“Can you bring someone back to life if they don’t have a head?
“There’s nothing you can do? She’s a goner? Cos I know doctors can do amazing things. They can’t resew her head?”
The officer: “That’s a bit of a stretch.”
“I thought doctors can do surgeries and put the head back on. No?”
Jessica was arrested and taken to St Mary’s Police Station for interrogation.
“This is up there with one of the most significant, most horrific scenes police have had to face.’ said Detective Inspector Brett McFadden.
Police confiscated multiple knives from the house for forensic examination.
They also saw that a 4-year old boy was at the scene; Rita had been babysitting her grandson. He had minor, visible, wounds and was taken to the hospital for examination. Imagine the unseen, mental wounds through. Poor kid.
At the station, Jessica stated to officers,
“I don’t know how my sister and my dad is going to be towards me after this.”
She told officers that she did this in self-defense as her mother had tried to kill her and told her side of the story – which is what I told you before.
She was charged with murder and didn’t post bail. She was held for a mental health assessment.
Here are some of her quotes she gave during this time:
“I really need medical attention. I told all the officers and told the police at the station.
I cannot move my fingers properly because of the incident. I am not fit to come to jail until I get cleaned up.
I could not wash myself properly in the shower to get all the blood off because of my fingers.”
During her trial, she pleaded not guilty by way of mental illness, before Justice Helen Wilson.
The court heard testimony from a plethora of people, including neighbors, doctors, the coroner, co-workers, and her other daughter.
One of her friends said that, on the night that she died, Rita (who was 57 years old at that time) had come to a conclusion that she was going to start living her life for herself, rather than giving her all to Jessica.
“I had a bad feeling, Rita always texts me. To add to the sadness, Rita was looking after her bedridden frail mother too… this is just horrific.
She was fun, irreverent and vibrant. She loved music and was very community minded. She connected with everyone because she was lovely.”
Psychiatrist, Professor Greenberg, said that Jessica talked about killing her mother in a “concrete, matter-of-fact tone without any emotion or emotional remorse.”
Here is what she told him, and what he read to the jury, “I wasn’t thinking. I was panicky, frustrated, enraged. Mum was slapping me, she grabbed me by the hair, I grabbed mum. I dragged mum all the way to the kitchen by the hair. I saw red. I remember pulling the knife. I wanted to scare her at first. Mum … got the knife off me and chucked it away. I was so agitated, I lost it. I was stabbing her … I was so angry. I think I had sick thoughts.
I remember stabbing my mum, I wouldn’t stop, was getting her everywhere.
I was getting the adrenaline going.”
“I got it off horror movies … Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Jeepers Creepers and Saw.” (What Jessica was saying here is that she “got the idea to cut her head off from the movies” and thought it might relieve her mother’s pain.)
He said that Jessica had “multiple” psychiatric diagnoses, but even she had an intellectual disability, she was still very well spoken.
He said that she was pushy to get what she needed even though she has autism and low self-esteem. Some people with autism don’t engage or hold eye contact, but Jessica was not like this. She did, however; often speak in a monologue.
He said she had denied having any psychotic symptoms; no types of hallucinations at all – visual or auditory, she didn’t have any paranoia.
When forensic pathologist, Dr Jennifer Pokorny, took the stand she said that her notes told a tale of unbelievable pain.
Dr Pokorny told the court that Rita had sustained “innumerable, at least 100 stab wounds over her head” -including wounds that passed through the right eye socket and into the brain – and “innumerable overlapping stab wounds associated with decapitation to the neck”.
Rita had died from “multiple stab wounds with decapitation” at the C2 vertebra at the top of her neck.
Next, crime scene expert Senior Constable Hayley Bennett took the stand. She told the court about the crime scene.
“On the tiled floor was the body of the deceased, head decapitated, six knives broken and intact surrounding the deceased. To the right was a human tongue, further to right under the fridge was a piece of skin I believed to be a human nose. The head … had numerous jagged and penetrating wounds exposing the cervical spine. Human eyeballs were on the tiles under the deceased’s neck.”
She reported that Rita headless body was on the floor in the kitchen with blood on all the chairs, the cupboards, and the fridge.
Her body was “in a prone position on floor, feet pointing towards the oven area, the legs were straight with the soles of the feet facing upward and a clump of dark hair on the right foot. The injuries on the right hand and wrist were defensive wounds; the left arm was bent at the elbow and the left hand resting on her neck area.”
Apart from a superficial stab wound to the groin area, most of her injuries were above the waist.
When Sen Con Bennett got to the severed head – which earlier the court was told that Jessica had dropped on the sidewalk outside, between two neighbors’ homes – she found “eyes, nose and tongue removed”.
Also, lacerations to both earlobes indicated that the “earrings most likely were removed with force”.
When Sen Con Bennett went through the living room and one of the bedrooms, she found human tissue, blood-soaked hair, pools of vomit, overlapping blood-soaked footprints, and a Crocodile Dundee figurine with its head detached. umm…?
With the head, it was outside because, as you heard in the 911 call, Jessica had stabbed it and then twisted it and ripped it off of her mother’s body. She then took it with her to show a neighbor. She couldn’t find the neighbor so she dropped it on the ground on the way to the other neighbor. These were her words. According to many news reports that I saw, they said she dropped the head because she was more concerned with her cellphone.
Detective Sergeant Brett Griffin testified as well. He was onscene that night and was one of the investigators who initially examined the crime scene. He reported to the court that on the sidewalk, in front of the neighbor’s house is where he found Rita’s head.
“I saw an area of apparent bloodstaining and human tissue. A short distance away I saw a human head with numerous injuries including a severed nose, removed eyes and numerous groupings of apparent lacerations and incised stab wounds.”
Detective Griffin said that a collection of human tissue and blood, about 1.2m from the head, indicated that it was “dropped or placed and then moved to its final position”.
Next, the court heard testimony that Jessica had threatened to behead the family and staff of a random man she developed a “huge crush” on and “flush their heads down the toilet.”
Then they heard of the threats to the meat company owner and the hundreds of calls a day she placed to them.
They continued to say, that all the calls placed to this company, if the call was answered, Jessica would apologise and explain she wasn’t in her right mind, but when the person tried to hang up, “she would attempt to keep you longer and it would turn ugly. She would threaten ‘I will stab you and cut your head off with a knife’. It would always end that way, no matter who she was talking to.”
After a couple of months, the owner had a conversation with Rita who “asked for our forgiveness, saying she was trying to deal with it”.
The calls stopped, but two weeks later, they started again. After this, Rita took Jessica’s phone from her.
Then, Jessica started targeting people on the meat company’s Facebook page; The owner’s wife, brother-in-law, sister-in-law and his friends. Damn this girl has time on her hands. I shouldn’t talk about her because she wasn’t in her right mind.
The wife got “the same threat of having her head cut off and flushed down the toilet”, while the sister-in-law’s threat was similar, but included a chainsaw.
When he called Rita again and saying that, “this is getting out of hand and something needed to happen”, she told him Jessica had seen his “picture and had developed a huge crush on me”. And that “Anytime she would hear [the owner] on the phone “it would send her crazy.”
Rita also said, “I am at my wit’s end and don’t know what to do”.
The court then heard the recording on a police bodycam that was recording at the scene. Jessica said that she had acted in self defence when her mother “dragged me by the hair and dragged me from the bedroom”.
“In self defense I grabbed a knife. Listen, does this happen all the time?
“Will I be locked up for the rest of my life?”
“My mum’s head is on the concrete over there.
“Can you bring someone back to life if they don’t have a head? Can you bring her back to life?”
“Can I ask you, did they find the head? Has she gone, you just can’t bring her back?
“There’s nothing you can do, she’s a gonner? They can’t restart her heart? ‘Cos I know doctors can do amazing things they can’t resew her head?”
Yall heard this before, but I wanted to let you know what was said in court.
The defense counsel, Nathan Steel, instructed the jury to put emotion and sympathy to the side and listen to the case based on the evidence.
“Due to the effects of her mental conditions, she had an impaired capacity at the time of the events.”
Finally, the court heard evidence from Kristi, Jessica’s sister, who said that her sister had been diagnosed with the disorders reported, but she also had dyslexia and ADD (attention deficit disorder) and had been bullied during her time at school.
She also said that she would never forgive Jessica. She said that Jessica was selfish because she was offered help relentlessly, but refused all help from relatives and professionals.
Now, pause, from experience I can understand where Kristi is coming from. At the same time, with Jessica, that’s a symptom of the illness. So it’s a double edged sword – no puns intended at all.
Justice Wilson then addressed the court, “She must have been in extreme pain, and both shocked and terrified by what was being done to her by her own beloved child. It was a crime of extraordinary viciousness and brutality, made all the worse by having been committed in her own home.”
Justice Wilson said that due to the “extreme” nature of Jessica’s crimes, “a stern sentence is called for.”
She detailed how Jessica had squeezed and poked her mom’s eyeball after removing it and then engaged in “acts of decapitation and cannibalism” following the killing. Ummm what?!
“Objectively, the facts were gruesome and brutal and involved a frenzied attack on an innocent victim in her own home. On the other hand, the offence was spontaneous and the result of Camilleri losing control of herself because of her complex psychiatric illness. Her behaviour of walking into the street with her mother’s head and dropping it, as well as asking emergency services personnel whether they could reattach it, demonstrated the extent to which the applicant’s conduct was divorced from the real world.”
The judge then stated that based on the evidence given by multiple psychiatrists and a psychologist, she found that Jessica had only a “simple understanding” of moral wrongfulness because of her intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder.
Jessica was cleared of murder by the jury but found guilty of manslaughter. She was sentenced to a maximum 21 years and seven months, with a non-parole period of 16 years and two months.
Justice Wilson said that Jessica had indulged in such “macabre curiosity” when handling her mom’s body parts after the beheading that this was the one of “gravest examples” of manslaughter she’d seen.
Kristi told reporters that said did not care what happened to her sister when she was released from prison.
Jessica was sent to Australia’s harshest women’s prison – Silverwater Women’s prison.
And that is the case of Jessica Camilleri.
Wait, what? There’s more? Oh wow! How much more could happen?
OK Lams, AI Jane just informed me there’s more.
So Jessica was in the worst women’s prison and in the toughest wing – Willet East – which is a mental health unit. Damn. That’s the toughest wing?
On September 9, 2019, 7 weeks after she murdered her mother, Jessica attacked an inmate because, “she was upset.” She threw a up of tea on the inmate because they had a disagreement over trading food. She was charged with fighting but with no pentalty.
On October 14, 2019, she attacked another inmate and was given five days in her cell.
On November 3, 2019 she refused to listen to directions given to her.
On July 31, 2020 she damaged prison property and was charged a $200 fine.
On November 21, 2020 she assault another inmate and received seven days in her cell.
In January 2021, she was convicted of common assault with no penalty given.
On March 24, 2021, Jessica filed a notice of intention to appeal her sentence. The court said…no.
On April 15, 2021, she got “agitated” during lunchtime. She confronted another inmate, who had been charged with alleged child sex offences.
“I’m still hungry, who should I ask for more food?” she asked the inmate who said: “I don’t know … haven’t you got enough?” (at this time, Jessica had 3 meals in her hands). Jessica exploded in a fit of rage and grabbed the inmate’s hair. The woman was seated and Jessica yanked her hair so hard that the woman’s head “vaulted backwards.” When officers ran towards them, Jessica ran back to her cell. The inmate was taken to the medical ward where they saw that she had a bald patch on her scalp.
Police questioned Jessica who said that the inmate had teased her about her eating disorder – bulimia – and was planning to attack her with other inmates, so she got her first. This was her plan so the guards would move her to another wing. She also said that she was constantly told to “watch her back” by other inmates and complained that life in prison was “hard” and that guards “can’t protect you.”
“Sometimes, and I hate to say it in this courtroom, but other prisoners have been murdered by other prisoners in jail, that’s how it is in jail.”
Yup. Sounds like prison to me.
Then she started attacking the guards:
In August 2021, the guards were leaving her cell and Jessica unexpectedly bolted towards the closing doors and slipped through the opening.
They told her to go back to her cell. She moved as if she was obeying but when the guard turned her head to speak to another inmate, Jessica grabbed a fistful of the guard’s hair and ripped it from her scalp. She was then restrained by 3 guards.
The guard was left with a long strip of a bald patch on her scalp.
When they asked Jessica why she did that, she said she thought she’d only pulled out, “just a few strands.” She also said, “I don’t like (her). I just wanted to give (her) a little bit of the taste of (her) own medicine for the s*** they’ve been doing to me … since I’ve been here.”
Almost two months later, she attacked another guard in the yard in a similar way. While guards were taking her back to her cell, she grabbed a handful of one of the guard’s hair and yanked it. The guard screamed and Jessica held on. She didn’t let go until more guards came in and restrained her. This guard, also, lost a chunk of hair. She was left with 2 bald patches in her scalp.
“The consequences of this assault have had lasting and profound effects on my life. I am filled with sadness and anger that this assault occurred. I truly believe the price I paid for this incident was the deterioration of my mental health.” She also warned that Jessica clearly has a, “’noticeable pattern of behaviour” in attacking guards and advocated for better protection for officers.
Nathan Steel, Jessica’s lawyer in this assault case, said that these attacks are “fairly spontaneous” but that “she was aware of the wrongfulness of her actions on both occasions.”
The prosecution, Fiona Jowett, argued that Jessica had shown “little to no remorse” for the attacks on the two guards.
“The history of her assaults, hair pulling, and obviously worse … should cause the court some concern.”
In the meantime, Jessica was moved to a different correctional facility to serve out the rest of her sentence.
And now, that is the case of Jessica Camilleri. Whew – that was a case.
Let me say some after thoughts even though this case was already long.
Ok My thing is, why was she put in a prison instead of a mental health ward? I mean I guess the wing she’s on is mental health, but I just think that she’ll never get any help in there.
Second, you know she get trigged by women soooo you surround her with women? I mean, but then again, she gets obsessed with men so… I guess there’s no good place to keep her unless you’re going to keep her in solitary which would eventually make her even more mentally unstable. I mean, I guess there is no real answer for this.
So, some comments that I found across the web – mainly Reddit – about this case.
Not giving this woman an excuse but her face has a lot of signs of fetal alcohol syndrome. I’m reading that she had a litany of mental disorders that she refused to get help for at 27 so yea, she should be remanded to a facility until she can be deemed safe to the public under a lifetime of supervision.
The reason I say this is because often times people will see the horrific aftermath of mental illness and make a snap judgment. However there is a fair chance that this person can be rehabilitated if given proper treatment for her issues. Do not get me wrong: Criminal Psychopaths and Sociopaths CANNOT be “cured” with our current medical knowledge and MUST be remanded to facilities for the safety of the general public. People suffering from delusions and untreated mental health issues should not just be cast into asylums for the criminally insane for the rest of their lives, those places are far worse than prisons……
I mean I am not a psychiatrist and never met Ms Camilleris (although we live in same suburb), but clearly she has some sort of mental health issues.
Mental health care in Australia is rather poor. I worked in a hospital where used to receive large number of mentally ill patients and frankly they used to receive shaming than care. Everyone used to roll their eyes and say another crazy.
This likely wasn’t something that just happened overnight. This was probably the result of some severe chemical imbalance, as well as long term conflict. While possible she just randomly snapped one day, that much of a change out of the blue is super rare. Either way, very sad end to something that could have probably been prevented with some treatment and counseling.
To which Lonewolf5333 replied”
The problem is a lot of people display violent dysfunctional tendencies. So the issue is determining how much they will escalate. I doubt there was any type of diagnosis or behavior prior that indicated she was capable of such a terrible act.
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