She Killed Her Children — But Was it Mental Health Illness or Murder? | The Lindsay Clancy Case

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Now part of the Darkcast Network. Welcome to Indie Podcasts with a Dark side. He left to grab dinner. When he came back, the house was quiet. Too quiet. And what he found inside would change everything. Today, I tell you, the case of Lindsay Clancy right now on Love and Murder. It started like any other love story. A spark, a bond, a promise. But something went wrong. Welcome, LaMs, welcome. This is love and heartbreak to Homicide, where true crime meets the deadly side of romance. In every episode, we walk through real cases where love didn’t just fade, it turned fatal. My name is Ky and I invite you to take a seat, take a listen all the way to the end, and if you like my retelling, then don’t forget to subscribe. You can also subscribe on our patreon for free patreon.com loveandmurder where you do get some benefits in the free tier. But if you want to get even deeper into the cases, if you want to support the podcast and help get these victims stories told, and if you want no commercials, no intros and bonus episodes, then become part of the LaM Patreon fam by signing up to one of our bonus tiers. Patreon.com uh, loveandmurder. In the meantime though, grab your butts, grab your glass of apple juice and let’s get into to this case of love and murder.

Patrick Clancy found his wife Lindsay dead in their Massachusetts home

Just after 6pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2023, Patrick Clancy returned to the family’s quiet home in Duxbury, Massachusetts. He had left earlier that evening at his wife’s request to pick up medication for their daughter and grab dinner. But when he came home, the house was unusually quiet. You know, he has little kids and there’s usually noise running around, pitter patter, little feet yelling, you know, go to bed, it’s time to take a shower, stuff like that. But this time he heard none. Those Lindsay Clancy, a 32 year old labor and delivery nurse and their three children, 5 year old Cora, 3 year old Dawson and 8 month old Callen should have been inside. When Patrick couldn’t find them, he ran upstairs and found that the master bedroom door was locked. He forced it open and found blood, an open window and a knife. So he ran outside. In the backyard, he found Lindsay semiconscious on the frozen ground. Patrick asked her, quote, what did you do? She said, quote, I tried to kill myself. Well, where are the kids? In the basement. Patrick was already on the phone with 911 when he ran downstairs. What he found led to the 911 dispatcher, uh, hearing him, uh, screaming, quote she killed the kids, and he’s just screaming uncontrollably on the phone. Cora and Dawson were dead. Callan was still alive but badly injured. He died three days later at Boston Children’s Hospital. Lindsay, a nurse at Massachusetts General Hospital, and her husband, Patrick, appeared to be a loving family with three beautiful children. Friends and colleagues described Lindsay as a compassionate, supportive, and excellent nurse with nothing she loved more than her children and her husband. However, beneath the surface, Lindsay had reportedly started struggling with mental health issues since the birth of her youngest son, Callan, in May 2022. Her husband and parents were aware of her, quote, worsening depression and, quote, bad thoughts. She was dealing with anxiety and insomnia starting in mid November, and by December, she was having, quote, thoughts of wanting to die and, quote, intrusive thoughts of harming her children. Lindsay sought help from several specialists, but she failed to receive adequate treatment. She was prescribed multiple medications, which I don’t know why some doctors do this. Medicine is not the answer. Testing medicine on people is not the answer. And let me backtrack. Cause I know I didn’t finish my thought. Medicine obviously, is sometimes the answer for certain things. It’s not always the answer. Like if you have a cold, medicine not going to do anything for you. You have to let it ride out. But some doctors will prescribe antibiotics for you when you have a cold. A cold is not bacterial, it’s viral. And antibiotics does absolutely nothing except gets you out of the doctor’s hair so you can stop asking them questions. So, you know, they don’t know what’s wrong with her, so they just start prescribing medication to her. And friends, uh, and family actually described the medication as a, quote, cocktail for generalized anxiety. They did not go any further. Anxiety, just here, here’s some medicine we don’t even know, but generalized anxiety. Y’ all don’t even understand how many times I’ve been in and out of a doctor’s office or a hospital or whatever throughout my child’s life. And instead of actually trying to figure out what’s wrong with her, they say, anxiety. Y’ all don’t even understand how many times and how many doctors I’ve changed because of that. And even people that I know who do have mental health issues, when everything started, the fight started with anxiety. Anxiety, anx. Anxiety. Instead of sitting down and trying to figure it out or simply saying, I don’t know, let me refer you to somebody else. It’s like some doctors are embarrassed of saying, I don’t know. They said, Lindsay Was given medications like valium, Prozac, Klonopin, Zoloft, Seroquel, and Trazodone. So it sounds like, I don’t know, try this, try this, try this, try this, try this together. And then, like, some doctors don’t even tell you, you can only take this medication for a certain amount of time. They’ll say, here, take this. And it’s like, indefinitely. And if you do your research on medication, some things will be like, you cannot take this more than a year, or it’s going to completely mess up your body. While Patrick told police Lindsay took them as prescribed, her attorney argued that these medications severely impacted her. Yeah, I mean, you can take them as prescribed, but like I said, it doesn’t mean the prescription is completely right. Weeks before the tragedy, on January 1, 2023, she had voluntarily checked herself into mclean hospital, a psychiatric facility, after disclosing thoughts of harming her children. So she is trying to get help. She is screaming for, uh, help. She stayed for five days texting Patrick that she didn’t belong there, which is part of the illness. You do try to get help, but the thoughts tell you that you don’t need help and you’re okay. She was discharged on January 5, 2023, after denying having any more intrusive thoughts, and the hospital did not find her a danger to herself or others. Patrick told police she, quote, appeared to be getting better after returning home just two days after her discharge. They hosted a birthday party for Cora, and Patrick noted that Lindsay’s mood gave him, quote, hope. He felt she had been sleeping and her mood was improving. On the morning of January 24, the day the children were killed, Patrick had asked her how she was feeling and how she was sleeping, and she had said she was feeling, quote, good and slept pretty well. Patrick even allowed her to take Cora to a doctor’s appointment that day, hoping it would help her come, quote, back to reality. Medical staff noticed nothing out of the ordinary about her behavior during the visit. She even built a snowman with Cora and Dawson that afternoon, sending photos to her family. Now, on January 24th, after police found this horrendous scene, they were able to identify some exercise bands as the murder weapon. Police also discovered journals and phone notes kept by Lindsay. These entries reportedly included references of self harm, expressions of wanting to harm her kids, feelings of resentment towards her older children, hopes of more children, and notes about her prescriptions and feelings. One note said that she had a, quote, touch of postpartum, um, anxiety around returning to work. Based on the evidence and the events. Lindsay was arrested and charged with three counts of murder and three counts of strangulation and also three counts of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. Lindsay survived her suicide attempt, but was left paralyzed from the waist down. She’s currently being held at the Tewksbury Hospital for court ordered psychiatric treatment. At her February 2023 arraignment, she attended via video link from the hospital where she was being treated for her injuries. She was wearing a mask and appeared to have a neck brace on. Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Sprague, uh, told the court, quote, the defendant did not take advantage of the situation when her husband left. She created the situation. The prosecutors, uh, laid a timeline out. They said that Lindsay asked Patrick to go pick up medicine for Cora at a CVS and ordered takeout from a neighbor in town. Prosecutors claimed that she used Apple Maps to figure out how long the errands would take. Between approximately 5:15pm and 6:00pm that day, authorities say the children were strangled with exercise bands. Patrick returned home around 6pm Prosecutors alleged that after strangling the children, Lindsay made, quote, superficial cuts to her wrists and neck and jumped out of a second floor window in an attempted suicide. Patrick found her semi conscious on the ground outside. They said she used that time to kill her children with, quote, deliberate premeditation and extreme atrocity and cruelty. Prosecutors also said Lindsay had used her phone to search, quote, ways to kill. Prosecutors also pointed to notes written after she had regained consciousness, including allegedly asking, quote, do I need an attorney? Lindsay spoke only once during the court hearings, saying, quote, yes, you, Honor. When asked if she could hear the judge. A plea of not guilty was entered on her behalf. Although her attorney, Kevin Reddington, says she wasn’t officially diagnosed with postpartum depression before the deaths, he claims she was suffering from postpartum, um, depression and potentially postpartum, um, psychosis. He says Lindsay had been over medicated, misdiagnosed, and left unsupported.

Attorney Reddington says Lindsay kept a medication journal before the murders

She was thoroughly destroyed by these medications. Our society completely abandons women with this condition. Attorney Reddington said that Lindsay kept a medication journal where she tracked side effects and feelings of numbness. He said that she sustained a spinal cord injury and broken back and ribs weeks before the murders. She had told her husband, quote, I wish I could feel something. Also, according to her husband, she began, I’m going to hit pause here because I know y’ all hear the lawnmower in the background, and it’s like I started recording, and now they want to come mow the lawn. So I apologize for that sound. I’M going to try and take it out in post, but if I can’t, then I do apologize.

Prosecutors say Lindsay was diagnosed with general anxiety disorder before committing murder

Let’s get back to the case. Also, according to her husband, she began to describe hearing voices and feeling disconnected from reality just days before the killing. Prosecutors said that she was evaluated at a hospital in Rhode island and was told she did not have postpartum depression or symptoms of it. Receiving a diagnosis of general anxiety disorder instead. Lindsay herself reportedly never used the word, quote, psychosis to describe her symptoms until after her arrest. Now, you can’t really blame her for that because suppose she doesn’t know it’s psychosis and everybody around her is telling her. Well, not everybody around her, but the doctors are telling her anxiety. But listen to the words that she’s saying. I wish I could feel something. I’m hearing intrusive thoughts. I, you know, that’s not anxiety. And again, the medical staff was not listening, uh, to her. I hate, once again, I’m going to say this. I hate when some doctors don’t know what’s wrong with you and they just say anxiety. I remember I told a doctor, there was this one doctor. This was after going to countless doctors. This is two years in. My daughter was having crippling air. Air pain. It wasn’t an infection. You know how when you go up into the airplane, you feel that pressure in your head from your ears? Well, that’s what’s happening to her for like two years. And after we went to, I don’t know, the seventh doctor or something like that, I don’t know this. I’m not going to call her out her name. But this person, I’m, um, explaining the feeling that my daughter’s having, and she tells me it sounds like anxiety mixed with, um, depression. And maybe I should take her to a psychologist. And I literally stared at this woman for like a solid 30 seconds. I had nothing nice to say. I had nothing nice to say. And we immediately changed to other doctors. If you don’t know doctors out there who love to say anxiety. And yes, I’m talking directly to you, only those doctors, though, if you don’t know something, please don’t say anxiety when it’s not. Please say, I don’t know. There’s nothing wrong with doing that. Anyways, let me get off of that, because you know how much this affects me. And I know people with mental health issues. It’s a real problem out there. I know people with mental health issues. I know people with physical issues, and they just get anxiety, move along, you know, and, uh, it happens to women a lot. Pcos, fibromyalgia. Um, all of this gets labeled as anxiety far too many times. And this woman, Lindsay, was screaming for help. She was trying to get help. And instead of helping her, she just gets anxiety, anxiety, anxiety.

Patrick says he spoke to his wife Lindsay before her arraignment

Anyway, while all of this has been going on, Patrick has lain low. He’s not trying to, like, talk to everybody, but he did do a personal, uh, interview with the New Yorker, and he told the reporter that he does not believe that his wife is evil. Quote, I wasn’t married to a monster. I was married to someone who got sick. Patrick remembered speaking to Lindsay on the phone before her arraignment. Quote, she didn’t sound like my wife. He remembers asking her, quote, did you plan this? Lindsay told him no. Quote, it was just like the snap of the fingers. In later conversations, she told him how she felt that every day was the worst day of her life and that she misses her kids, which Patrick acknowledges sounds, quote, crazy to some people, but is the reality. And Patrick. It doesn’t sound crazy to me. Uh, I mean, I’m. I’m telling you right now, it does not sound crazy to me because it was just like a previous episode I did where they put this person in jail, but this person was completely out of his mind. He had. Oh, I remember now, he had dropped his daughter from stories up, and I think it was a newborn. And then he went to a, uh, airline tarmac and started working or whatever. And, um, it just put him in prison. And I didn’t. I tell y’ all that when he comes down, when he gets better, he is going to feel like complete trash. He won’t be able to believe he did this, because when you’re going through that psychosis, you’re not in your right mind. You’re literally crazy. Like, legit crazy. Not people who try to use craziness as an excuse to get away with certain things. No, these people, like Lindsay and the other person I’m telling you about. And I’ll put that link to that episode in the show notes below. And the other person I’m telling you about, they were completely. It’s like, you can say it’s akin to sleepwalking. You’re not responsible for what you’re doing when you’re sleepwalking. Um, because you’re not awake. You look like you’re awake. You’re walking around functioning like you’re awake. You’re probably even having conversations, but you’re not awake. It’s the same thing. So if somebody was sleepwalking and did something horrendous and then woke up. They’re going to beat themselves up because they cannot believe they just did this. It’s the same thing. So, Patrick, no, it does not sound crazy to me. I know there’s some people out there, and I’ll go into some of the, um, and I’ll go into some of the comments that I’ve seen around the web. I know there’s some people out there who think, you know, I can’t believe she did this or whatever. But, no, I understand where you’re coming from, Patrick, and I’m really happy that you understand what’s going on with your wife. And you don’t blame her. When Patrick asked her why she looked up how long it would take for him to pick up dinner, Lindsay said that she was concerned about him getting stuck in traffic. When asked if she Googled, quote, ways to kill, she said, quote, yeah, for myself, because I was suicidal for two months. Patrick also pushed back against prosecutors claims that Lindsay’s suicide attempt, uh, wasn’t genuine. He said she had severe cuts and suffered spinal and nerve damage during the fall. Now, Lindsay’s case has reignited a national conversation around postpartum, um, depression and psychosis. Funny how that’s not researched a lot. Just really funny how that’s not researched a lot. The case has also brought attention to the legal system’s approach. Countries in Europe and Asia often recognize postpartum conditions in criminal matters, allowing for treatment instead of punishment, which Ky has been screaming for, for. I couldn’t for five years, I guess, the length of the podcast. In the US Only Illinois currently has a law allowing judges to consider postpartum disorders as mitigating factors in sentencing. A bill in Massachusetts that would allow similar consideration has stalled in the legislature. State Representative, uh, James o’ Day was, who sponsored the bill, said, quote, who in their right mind would treat their child in this manner if there wasn’t some type of mental illness potential involved? Now, um, State Representative o’ Day, I kind of have to disagree with you on that. Yes, some people, but then there’s also other people who are sick individuals who would just try to take advantage of this. Like I’m telling you, I wasn’t in my right mind, because who in their right mind would treat their child in that manner? And they’re completely sane. They’re just monsters. So, yeah, there are some monsters out there, but you have to learn to differentiate between the two. People cannot, cannot successfully pretend to have mental health issues. Supporters of the bill argue that without understanding postpartum disorders, mothers will continue to be punished instead of being treated. The condition affects as many as one in seven women with severe outcomes. For some, postpartum psychosis is even more rare, effecting 1 to 2 in 1,000. Wow. Advocates argue that society fails women suffering from these conditions, often relying on medication without adequate support. It’s just like some people think, women just have a baby and, you know, you just bounce back, take care of your kid, you’re fine. Just be strong. Like, that’s not how any of this works. You have to understand their hormone imbalances once the child is gone. Okay, for instance, this is a very, very, very loose for instance. But just the men who are listening out here and I guess women too, who don’t have children and don’t believe in this, I guess. For instance, like I said, loose. For instance, when I was pregnant, oh my God, I loved grapefruit stuff. It was the sweetest thing I’d ever tasted in my life. Loved. I had a grapefruit every single day of my pregnancy. As soon as, uh, my daughter was born and I came out of the hospital, so what that, what’s that, three days? I wanted my grapefruit again. I went and got a grapefruit, I cut into it and, oh my God, it was the most bitter, horrible, awful tasting thing I’ve ever had in my life. And that was just food. Let alone understanding the hormonal changes in our body and how it’s going to affect our mind, body, digestive system, sexual activity. Like, you have to understand, we just shit out of human, like. But nobody takes it seriously. You know, postpartum depression, postpartum psychosis, postpartum this and postpartum that. Seriously. But I bet you. You know what? Shut up, Ky I’m not going to say anything. Lindsay’s trial is scheduled to begin on January 5, 2026. Her defense team is expected to argue that she cannot be held criminally responsible due to her mental illness. Prosecutors are still pushing for a conviction of first degree murder, citing deliberate planning and evidence gathered from her phone. I hope they’re going to be pushing for, I mean, but by this time it might, she might have, uh, leveled off, but I was gonna. Cuz her baby was 8 months old.

Judge orders Lindsay Clancy to undergo psychiatric evaluation ahead of January trial

So maybe her, maybe her hormones have leveled off by this time. So even if they put her in for a, uh, psychiatric evaluation, she might test as normal by now, to which the prosecution would be like, see? But again, that’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works. Lindsay remains under 247 suicide watch, which, it’s like waking up from a dream and realizing you killed your children. So. And nobody’s listening to you. They’re just saying, monster, monster, monster. Like, uh. Today, Patrick lives in Manhattan and works remotely. The Duxbury home has been sold. And in April 2024, he ran the Boston Marathon to honor his children and raised over $73,000 for the hospital that tried to save Callan’s life. Quote, there’s no house anymore. There are no kids. All that’s left is me and Lindsay. Patrick has maintained public support for Lindsay, even starting a GoFundMe campaign days after the children died, which raised $1 million. In the GoFundMe post, Patrick wrote, quote, the real Lindsay was generously loving and caring. All I wish for her now is that she can somehow find peace. And that was a quote from Patrick. Lindsay is currently being held for court ordered mental treatment at, uh, Tewkesbury Hospital. Good, good. At least the court ordered this. Excellent. Where she is being held without bail. A judge has ruled that Lindsay must undergo a psychiatric examination by an expert chosen by the prosecution. Of course it is. But again, she’s getting mental health treatment, and her hormonal levels might have leveled off and gone back to normal. So it might come back that she’s fine now. You should have done the psychiatric evaluation then. Now it’s like, ugh, uh, I don’t know. Am I the only one frustrated by this? She’s been paralyzed from the waist down since the fall from the window. She has generally waived her appearances at subsequent court hearings due to her injuries. The case continues with pretrial proceedings. Uh, a status update conference is set for September 27, 2025. And then, as I already told you, the trial is starting in January, although some sources note that a date has not yet been set or is on the horizon. So, I mean, it could be January 5th, and it could be later than that. The Lindsay Clancy case is a heartbreaking tragedy that has sparked crucial conversations about mental health, the legal system, and how society supports mothers facing severe prenatal condition. The scheduled trial in 2026 will be a pivotal moment in determining the legal outcome of this complex and devastating case. And I really hope that somebody understands that even if her psychiatric examination comes back as, uh, normal, you need to take into consideration before, at the time the murders happened, that’s when you need to take into consideration, because the baby was only eight months, she was still going through postpartum hormonal changes. So we will see how this goes. I’m going to put it in my calendar to continuously check on the updates of this case. I want to say I’m hopeful that they understand, but I’m not really hopeful because when it comes to mental health, it’s really not taken that seriously. And, uh, speaking of which, May is Mental Health Awareness Month. So I did want to do this case during this month. And if you or someone you know is struggling with mental health or in crisis, if you’re feeling like you’re having intrusive thoughts, if you’re feeling anything like I mentioned in here, that Lindsay was saying, then get help. That is confidential and free and is available 24 7365. You can call or text 988. You can also chat at 988-lifeline uh.orgtty Users can use their preferred relay service or dial 711-and-then-988. If you are in need of support but not in crisis, consider reaching out to a warmline. Warmlines offer a place to call when you just need to talk to someone. Speaking to someone on these calls is typically free, confidential and run by people who understand what it’s like to struggle with mental health problems. To find a warm line, you can go to MHA national.orgwarmlines that’s M H A national.orgwarmlines what did you think of this episode? Uh, let me know your thoughts in the comments below. Do you know anybody or did you suffer from postpartum depression and nobody around you understood or believed what you were going through? Have you ever gone to a doctor for a diagnosis like say your shoulder is hurting in excruciating pain and they tell you it’s anxiety? You have really horrible pain during your menstrual cycle every month and you go to the doctor and they tell you anxiety. If you have any of these types of stories, please share them with me because I would love to read them on air to so people can know, uh, that this is true, that doctors, some doctors. I’m not saying all because we have found out of the haystack there has been a couple needles where my daughter and I found doctors who could help her. And we hung on to those doctors for dear life. So let me know your story in the comments below.

I remember seeing comments on Lindsay Clancy case about intrusive thoughts

And speaking of comments, so I did say I was going to tell you a couple comments that I saw. I didn’t copy them. This is just going from memory. And you know, my memory ain’t that good, but I remember seeing comments on this Lindsay Clancy case, like some people saying that you Know, I understand that you’re having a hard time, but as a mother, you should be a mother first and protect your children. And you should have just taken yourself away from the children. And it’s like you literally do not understand mental health at all. Like, that’s, that’s not how that works. She felt she had a problem. She was trying to get help. But your intrusive thoughts, as I’m understanding it, because I don’t have mental health issues, but this is coming from helping people who have mental health issues. Being around people who have mental health issues and, uh, talking to them in depth. And your intrusive thoughts try to also convince you that you’re okay and everybody else is crazy, you’re okay, there’s nothing wrong with you, you’re okay. So, you know, maybe those intrusive thoughts were telling her, you know, stay with the children. Like when she took herself to the hospital, maybe she had a second of lucidity, she took herself to the hospital, so she was trying to protect her children. But then those intrusive thoughts came in and was like, what are you doing in here? You’re completely fine. You need to get out. And the hospital was like, you know what? We think you’re fine too. And they let her out. Which I have seen that happen way too many times where the person is not baseline, but, but I don’t know what they see. But they let this person out and this person goes running off into the day and takes off their clothes and in 20 degree weather and is just running through the streets and the hospital just let them out saying, yeah, seems pretty normal to me. So I don’t know. But if you’re one of those people who are like, she should have thought first about her children. When she had seconds of lucidity, she was. When she wasn’t lucid, the intrusive thoughts were telling her something different. And if you’ve never experienced that, just like myself, then you cannot speak or judge. And if her husband, whose children it is and she lived with, is saying that, I know this isn’t my wife, then how dare you even open your mouth to judge. So that’s what I wanted to say.

I normally read your comments on the corresponding days of the episode

Now, let’s get into some of your comments on past episodes. So because AI, Gein Jensen and Jessica, uh, are now doing the Midweek Mini and Florida Man Fridays, I know I’m going to come in at some point in time and do a couple of them myself, but I normally read your comments on the corresponding days. So, like, Monday comments on Mondays, Wednesday comments on Wednesdays. But because that’s not happening, I will read all the comments on Monday’s episode. So the first thing I’m going to go through, uh, it’s actually not a comment. It is a poll that I put out for the case of Ashley Benson. And this is the case of the Black Swan murder trial. For this and any case that I mentioned in this episode, if you haven’t heard of it before or you forgot or you’re new here and you haven’t heard it before, then all the cases that I mentioned in this episode, the links to them are in the show notes below. So you can easily just go to it and listen to that case. So the poll that I had was, do you think Ashley murdered Doug in cold blood or was it self defense? And 100% of you said that it was cold blooded murder. So like I said, if you hadn’t heard that case before, it is in the show notes below. Another comment I have for you is from the case of the murder of Amora Bain Carson. The tldr of this was a baby was tortured for 3:30 hours by her mother and boyfriend. And Barbara Logsdon said, I found out the hard way drug psychosis mimics schizophrenia. I took my niece to the psych ward countless times and the last incident a drug test was performed and the results were a variety of illegal street drugs. When I confronted her with the truth, she tried to attack me. She attacked my sister, cops, nurses, et cetera. And she is a danger to herself and others. She is psychotic and she’s still free to harm others. Well, Barbara, I am very, very sorry to hear that. I’m m pretty sure that’s literally very hard to deal with. Literally. Like you want to help people who are addicted to street drugs, but the first step is them helping themselves because like even if you put them in a treatment center, they get out, they take it again. You know, they have to admit to themselves that they have a problem and that they do want help because it takes work on their part. So I’m very sorry that you’re dealing with that.

A mother starved her baby and the baby was described as looking like a Holocaust survivor

Now the next comment that I have is from the case of Kristin Donat, which the title of that was that a mother starved her baby and the baby was described as looking like a Holocaust survivor. So this comment comes from Izzy and it says, this is unbelievable. I cannot believe the court ruling. She should be starved for weeks and see how she likes it. I bet she would rethink her actions. But honestly, certain people shouldn’t procreate. Grr. Like Izzy. I agree with everything you said. I’m pretty sure I said in the episode if it was something that could be done then she should be starved to see how it feels, you know. But Izzy, thank you for your comments. And uh, the poll that I had for this one is you think she could be rehabilitated or do you think she deserves a harsher punishment? And 100% of you said she deserves a harsher punishment. So like I said link to that is in the show notes below.

This episode was actually a twofer of child abuse and child trafficking

And the last comment I’m going to read to you was a Florida Man Friday. A mom had tried to sell her daughter for $500 and it was the case of Jessica Wood. Now this episode was actually a twofer. One was of child abuse and the second one was of tempted child trafficking. So Becca3039 said new video just came out and the despicable female so called mother was complaining she was freezing while baby was in her arms practically naked. The price and DHS should have taken that baby from their first call. I pray that baby is in a good home. Seems as if she’s been through enough. So that comment was for the case of Jessica woods who tried to sell her daughter for $500. And in that case Jessica was doing some crazy stuff to her daughter like elbowing her and spanking her and just having her out in the cold. Uh, so anyways, you have to listen to the entire story. And then the second case, like I said was about child trafficking. And in that case I told you about an 85 year old man who tried to buy a child from her mother for $100,000. And that case was crazy too. Thank you Becca for your comment and that is all I have for you today. Thank you for listening all the way to the end. Don’t forget that if you want a deeper dive into this case and all my cases, you can go ahead and become part of the lam fam by going to patreon.com loveandmurder and choosing any one of our bonus tiers that we have there. You do get case files within any bonus tier that you sign up for. And if you sign up for $5 and above, uh, you do also get bonus episodes. Patreon.com /loveandmurder. And don’t forget, you also help keep this podcast going which means you help keep the victim stories being told. Patreon.com forward / loveandmurder and like I like to end every full episode. I want to remind you that it’s say it with me now. All love and no murder, y’ all. Bye, Sam.