Australia’s Most Shocking Murder Labeled as “Female Hannibal Lecter” | Katherine Knight

This is a crazy tale of ups and more ups of love and lost

Ky: You’ve watched Hannibal Lecter and so have I. But what if it wasn’t just a movie? This is a crazy tale of ups and more ups of love and lost. This is the case of Katherine Knight. Hello, love and mur. Good evening, everyone.

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Welcome to a new episode of Love and Murder. I need to speak more quiet with this new mic. It picks up a lot. Anyway.

Shar: Are you telling me.

Ky: Anyways, I am your host, Ky, and I am joined by the lovely, the wonderful, the effervescent, the I. I got nothing else. Yeah, go ahead.

Shar: You’re joined by the amazing Charay. Hey, you know, we should have like, fireworks go off or something. I don’t know. We could try it, uh, you know, the whole can bring it effects thing.

Ky: Bring it down.

Shar: Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Love and Murder. We’re glad to have you all.

Ky: And like she said, this is Love and Murder, the weekly true crime podcast where we talk about relationships gone deep, terribly wrong. And when I say terribly wrong, Char, how wrong do I mean?

Shar: She means dead, dead wrong.

Ky: So we come live every week, like I said, and we talk about true crime relationships. Our stories have suspense, it has mystery, and then we have just a little bit of humor sprinkled on top. So if that is for you, then welcome to our show. But if you do not like, you know, laughing along with murder, if you.

Shar: Don’T like to laugh at all, you just a grim face.

Ky: Not that we laugh at the victims or anything like that, but just the situations and everything like that. But if you think that, you know, that shouldn’t happen at all, then I understand. And this podcast isn’t for you.

Shar: Yeah. Nice knowing. Ah, yeah.

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Shar: Absolutely.

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Shar: Oh, gosh, please don’t say that, guys.

Char: Where would you rate Char’s crazy life stories on Patreon

It sounds ridiculous, but let me just add something regarding my crazy story. So, Ky, would you say on a scale of 1 to 10, um, are my stories so unbelievable that they’re probably not true? True meaning a 10, and maybe anything under that is, like, not true. So where would you. Where would you rate Char’s crazy life stories on Patreon?

Ky: 12.5.

Shar: 1 through 10. A. Ah, 1.5 as in not, not, not, not.

Ky: Oh, you said 10 being true.

Shar: Yeah, 10 being the most true.

Ky: Well, then a negative 5.8.

Shar: Okay, listeners, you. You didn’t hear that. Just look, if you look. First of all, I don’t even believe she said that. But just to prove Ky wrong, you guys have to tune in yourself. You know, just subscribe to our Patreon. You got to check out my crazy stories and then just see for yourself if you believe that they’re true or if I just make these things up, if I go as I go along. But even I can’t make this stuff up. I promise, I’m telling y’all, if y’all.

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So tonight we’re talking about Katherine Mary Knight. She was born in New South Wales in 1955

So tonight we’re talking about Katherine Mary Knight. Now, I have a question. I’ve seen two different names. It’s either Mary Katherine Knight or Katherine Mary Knight. I don’t know which one, but either way, they call her Katherine Knight. So we’re going to talk about Katherine Knight. She was one of eight children, and she was the youngest set of twins born on October 24, 1955. She was born in Tenterfield, New South Wales, to Ken and Barbara. So New South Wales, if anyone knows, is Australia the Australian region. Her mother Barbara had actually three husbands. Not, uh, at the same time, obviously.

Shar: Oh, I’m going. Wow, this is a kinky episode. Okay, I’m ready.

Ky: It’s just started off like, just off the bat. So her mother had three husbands, and so I guess one husband and two ex Husband. And Katherine’s father was her latest husband. The children were of different husbands, um, but Katherine and her twin, which she was the youngest of the two. Like I said, Katherine and her twin belonged to the latest husband, who was Ken. Katherine was close to only two people, the first being her twin, and the second, her uncle Oscar Knight, who ended up committing suicide in 1966 when Katherine was 11 years old.

Shar: Wow.

Ky: This completely devastated her. But she says that his ghost frequently visits her, so the blow didn’t hurt that bad.

Shar: So he’s not quite. He’s not quite gone.

Ky: I mean, that’s what she said. I think she just psychologically found a way for her to be okay with the loss of her uncle.

Shar: To cope with it.

Ky: Exactly. Now, apparently, her family had moved away from Aberdeen at some point in time, because after her Uncle Oscar committed suicide, the family moved back to Aberdeen in 1969. By this time, Katherine was 14 years old. Now, Katherine’s father, Ken, was a raging alcoholic who was very abusive to the family, but extremely abusive to her mother in particular. He would intimidate her and use violence to rape Barbara, which is the mother. But he wouldn’t do this just once. He wouldn’t do this just twice. He would do this up to ten times a day. Oh, my God.

Shar: What kind of house was this? Oh, my gosh. The House of Horrors. Another house of Horrors.

Ky: Yeah.

Shar: Show plenty of times. But this is a dead. This is definitely, definitely a first. I, uh. That’s just beyond crazy.

Ky: Yeah. And then wait till you hear the House of Horror, Tracy. Then Katherine’s mother would come to her daughters and tell them details of her sex life and tell them how much she hated men. Now, let me ask you this, Char. Uh, what do you think about your mother coming to tuck you into bed? She sits at the side of your bed, and she’s like, you know, Charlotte, I love y’all. Y’all are my daughters. I love y’all. But let me tell you what your father did to me last night.

Shar: So, in other words, this is their version of bedtime sp.

Ky: I mean, even if it was just. They just came home from. From school, and she was like, you know what your father just did to me? Let me. Let me get in graphic.

Shar: Let me give you all the gory details. Oh, my gosh. No, no.

Ky: Absolutely not. Ah. Uh, just. I’m just, like, baffled at what kind of craziness is going on in this house.

Shar: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it just doesn’t seem real that these things happen to people. This is what’s Happening at any given moment. There’s someone’s lives that are people’s lives.

Ky: I mean, we can’t fathom it because it happened like us, but it def. I know somebody who. She was taken by CPS and then adopted later on. But I know somebody had some crazy stuff like this happened when she was a little girl and she remembers it and she didn’t grow up. She’s kinda, uh. I don’t know how to say it. It’s. She’s not a settled individual, I’ll put it that way.

Shar: And I, She’s. I, uh, I see why.

Ky: Yeah, I feel, I feel bad for her. I do feel bad for her because it’s not her fault like you said. But anyways.

Katherine was described as a bully when she was younger

Katherine was described as a nice girl when she was younger with a temper when she got angry. Sounds like me.

Shar: It does.

Ky: While in high school, she went from having a lot of friends to being a loner. Her high school classmates had a different tale to tell than those of the elementary school. According to them, she was a bully who especially liked to like loom over the smaller kids she liked to like. It was the smaller kids that she took her bullying out on. So like, nobody her size. You know, they say pick on somebody your own size.

Shar: Well, she did your own size. Yeah, well, that’s what a bully is. They pick on someone not their own size. Usually a lot smaller.

Ky: Yeah. They remembered this one time that she had a fight with a boy and she assaulted him with a weapon. Now they didn’t say what weapon, they didn’t say what kind of assault, but she assaulted a boy with a weapon and a teacher also had to hurt her in self defense because, you know, back in the day when teachers could actually defend themselves against unruly children. Not like today when. Oh my God, I just watched this. This. I don’t know if it was a tik tok or whatever video or a video of this one student being racist to the teacher. And she was hitting the teacher and then she went and called her mom. I guess she called somebody because I had it on mute because I didn’t want to hear it. She called somebody and whatever she was saying on the phone and she didn’t hear what she wanted to hear and then she slammed the phone down and the phone bounced it. All the teacher could do was just like, you know, stand there. And when the girl hit her, she was just like, don’t do that. And then she just sat and waited for the girl to finish. And the girl, I would have.

Shar: I mean, they can’t call security.

Ky: I would have been fired. Do you hear me? Cuz the first second she hit me, I hit her back and forgot that I was a teacher.

Shar: I know, me, me as well. I, I know for a fact I would definitely have been escorted out.

Ky: Yeah.

Shar: By the police and fired.

Ky: I, I wouldn’t have been fired because I’d have quit. I’d have quit. I’d have grabbed all my stuff and been like, you know what? Screw this. It’s not worth whatever teachers get paid. Which isn’t a lot. And I will be out. I would have, the cops would have come to my house, but I would have been out freaking way. I couldn’t deal with that. I, uh, couldn’t deal with that. But anyway, so a teacher defended themselves and ended up hurting her. But the teacher didn’t get, uh, in trouble because, you know, back in the day, people had sense that says children cannot just run around acting the fool with their teachers. Anyway, let me not.

Shar: And they would be paddled.

Ky: Let me not get into that. Oh, I, I remember paddling. I was gonna be paddled one time, and I believe it was my math teacher. He was gonna paddle me. I don’t even remember why. I don’t even think I was doing anything really. I didn’t do anything bad in school. But he said he was gonna paddle me. And I told him, if he hits me, I’m gonna take that paddle and hit him back. Like it was, it was like it wasn’t a question. If you hit me, I’m going to hit you back. And he, uh, he didn’t paddle me.

Shar: Okay, so our listeners are going to think we’re the most violent host that ever, ever happened to podcast radio. But let me just say this. I was, I was suspended in second grade for beating up my teacher. My second grade teacher, because she accused me of eating the chocolate bars during recess when all the other kids were outside. She, she accused me. I, uh, honestly did not. But she threatened to paddle me and I took the paddle and I hit her with it. Just like on her back, right? But then she goes, oh, I’m calling Sister Mary because I was at a Catholic school. And then four of the sisters came in and they tried to hold me down. It’s really funny. And they had to call my mom from work to come off of work early to come and get me because little Char is being disruptive. She’s paddled the teacher. The teacher was attempting to paddle her. And I told her, I said, if you hit me with that thing, I’m going to hit you back. And my mom’s like, I didn’t teach you to say these things. Yeah, I said, but, yeah, mom, we never went over this scenario that I would be accused of, you know, eating all the chocolate bars for the fundraiser. So that’s one thing mom didn’t talk to me about. So maybe had she talked to me about it, I know how to conduct myself. But there you have it. Ky and I both would actually hit back with the paddle. You’re not going to paddle us and get away with it, America.

Shar: Katherine dropped out of school at only 15 years old

Ky: Uh, so when Katherine wasn’t being a bully or angry, she was described as a model student who usually got awards for good behavior. So basically, what I’m gathering here is she’s Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Like, what the frick? She actually dropped out of school at only 15 years old. So that was, like, one year after they moved back to Aberdeen. And because she dropped out of school at 15, she ended up being illiterate, meaning she couldn’t read or write, which I don’t understand that.

Shar: Well, she should have already learned that.

Ky: I was about to say by 15. Like, yeah, right, in, like, first grade.

Shar: At least in elementary school, if not at the beginning of junior high. So m. By the time you’re in.

Ky: High school, she was doing bad. If she was in high school at 15.

Shar: Yeah.

Ky: I never learned how to graduate.

Shar: Anyway, that’s not normal. That’s not normal. She just wasn’t paying attention.

Ky: Oh, I don’t know what she was doing. Good Lord. Anyway, she graduated or, uh, she. She dropped out. She couldn’t read or write. And after she left school, she got a job in a clothing factory as a cutter. And then a year later, she got her dream job cutting up offal at a slaughterhouse that was close to where she lived. Now, if you’ve looked at your phone or your laptop or your tablet or whatever you’re listening to this show on, and you’re like, what the hell did you just say? What was her dream job?

Shar: Yeah, I didn’t understand that, uh, you’d.

Ky: Be in good company because both Shar and I don’t know what an offal was.

Shar: So. Of course, yeah.

Ky: What if I looked it up? So offals are the entrails and internal organs of an animal that are cut up and used as food. That’s what an awful is.

Shar: And this excited her.

Ky: So now you learned a new word. And. Yes, that was her, uh, Katherine, uh, job.

Shar: That’s such a. Well, you’re right. I did learn a new Word. And I learned about a new job. It probably doesn’t exist anymore because this was back in the day.

Ky: I’m pretty sure it does, but probably. Maybe a machine’s doing it now.

Shar: Yeah, I would think so.

Ky: Yeah. But she loved doing it so much that she quickly got a promotion to the boning position. Oh, yeah, I like the boning position.

Shar: She said boning.

Ky: The boning position.

Shar: Debo. The deboning position.

Ky: No, it’s called the boning position. I mean, that would be my dream job.

Shar: Yeah, exactly.

Ky: And for the position, she was given her own set of butcher knives. As if it were a trophy. She proudly brought the knives home and hung them over her bed so that they would, quote, always be handy if I needed them. That’s what.

Shar: She doesn’t need them outside of work.

Ky: Uh, that’s what I was going to ask you. When could you possibly need butcher knives?

Shar: Your knives? I will need that today.

Ky: I mean, I mean, I guess in the kitchen. But even in the kitchen, you really don’t use butcher knives? Like.

Shar: No, not as often as you would think. Not just.

Ky: Yeah, I. I can’t, I can’t. And the thing is, whenever she moved, those knives came with her. Right.

Shar: With her.

Ky: Always put it up just like it was her trophy. So she always had them.

David Stanford Kellett married Katherine when he was 22

So now we’re going to talk about David Stanford Kellett, who was born around 1951. Couldn’t find much about his early life, but him and Katherine met in 1973 when she was 18 and he was 22. By this time, David was already a hard drinker. He’s 22 and he was already a, uh, drunk dude. Can you imagine that?

Shar: Wow. You didn’t stand a chance.

Ky: No. Regardless of his heavy drinking, Katherine got into relationship with him because, I mean, that was what her father did. So to her, that’s normal, you know what I’m saying? To us, that’s like.

Shar: Exactly.

Ky: But she grew up with that. That’s normal to her. So this is how the cycle continues. So anyways, she got into a relationship with him and then the two decided to get married a year later. Mind you, she was the one who insisted on marriage. At the wedding, they arrived on her motorcycle with her driving, and David was laid out drunk on the back of the motorcycle.

Shar: I’m just trying to picture that because usually you would think he’d fall over, but okay.

Ky: I mean, he was a functioning drunk at 22. He probably just knew how to make it keep his composure. Yeah, I don’t know. Some people could do that. But Anyways, um, before the ceremony, Katherine’s mother pulled David over and gave him some advice. The advice, in David’s own words, were quote, uh,

On their wedding night, Katherine tried to strangle David

Um, the old girl, ah, said to me to watch out. Oh, wait, this is Australia. Oh, good Lord.

Shar: That’s right. Get your ossiax.

Ky: Okay, I. I can’t even hear it in my head. All right, the old girl. I can’t do it. I can’t do it. We’re not gonna do it today, fellas. I don’t know. I can’t get an Aussie action in my head. I don’t know.

Shar: Well, I was gonna say if you just thought of the word mate or something. Mate. I don’t know.

Ky: Right. The old girl said to me to watch out. You better watch this one or she’ll kill you. Wait, wait.

Shar: You just, you know, you just took a trip to the hills of Alabama. And by the way, that’s nowhere geographically near Australia, so I think we better continue on with this story.

Ky: Yeah, let’s just switch back to my American accent.

Shar: We’ll just. You guys just bear with us. She’ll. It’ll come back to her. She’ll summon up her Aussie.

Ky: Take 23.

Shar: Yes.

Ky: Try this again. So in his own words, she said that her mom said, the old quote. The old girl told me to watch out. You better watch this one or she’ll kill you. Stir her up the wrong way or do the wrong thing and you’re. Don’t ever think of playing up on her. She’ll kill you. And that was her mother talking. She told me she’s got something loose. She’s got a screw loose somewhere. That’s what her mom said to him.

Shar: Well, what a warning coming from Mom. Okay, I think I would run.

Ky: Yeah, well, David, didn’t run. He continued on with the wedding. And it didn’t take long for Katherine’s mother’s words to ring through. On their wedding night, Katherine tried to strangle David.

Shar: As they’re consummating their marriage, he’s like, I’ll just strangle you. Or at least attempt to.

Ky: Well, I was gonna say, there’s only one question that y’all would have. Why? Well, uh, the same reason any rational person would try to strangle their new husband. He fell asleep after they’d only had sex three times. How selfish of him. Oh, my God. What an ass. Only three times. And then you try and fall asleep. This is my wedding night, damn it.

Shar: How could you? Oh, my gosh, I’m so insulted. And as a matter of fact, I want a divorce now.

Ky: I’m, uh. No, I don’t want her divorce. I want to strangle you.

Shar: It couldn’t rise to the challenge, so she thought, she’ll fix. She’s gonna fix him.

Ky: Oh, good Lord. This marriage is off to a great.

Shar: Off to a beautiful start on the honeymoon at that.

Ky: Yeah.

Shar: Okay.

Ky: The marriage, as you can imagine, Char was not a good one. Turns out Katherine was very abusive.

Shar: Let’s see.

Ky: Where did I hear that warning? Oh, yeah, her mom, right before David. Ignore it. Good Lord. While Katherine was eight or nine months pregnant, she burned all of David’s clothes and El cabong the frick out of him in the back of his head with a frying pan. Remember that cartoon?

Shar: No.

Ky: God, it was a freaking, um. He was a horse. Elkabong. He hit people with his guitar.

Shar: No, I only know about, uh, the Horse Named Fred. We’re a different generation when it comes to cartoons. What the hell that is, I have no clue.

Ky: Okay, they’re right. But you know what?

Shar: I’ve got to ask you this. I don’t usually ask these types of questions in the middle of your story, but where is her twin sister? She hasn’t come about.

Ky: Never heard any mention of her other than the beginning of the story.

Katherine was diagnosed with postpartum depression after giving birth in 1976

Shar: You’re kidding.

Ky: Nobody talks.

Shar: Maybe she killed her, too, and no one ever found out. We can’t say that.

Ky: I doubt that she likes her sister.

Shar: She likes her sister.

Ky: Sister is not crazy like her, so.

Shar: Yeah, that’s true. But one person in the world besides her mom that she likes. Yeah, all right.

Ky: And her uncle that.

Shar: Oh, uncle.

Ky: That’s right.

Shar: Exactly.

Ky: So anyway, she burned all his clothes and smashed him in the back of the head with a frying pan. And I know, again, you’re wondering why well, he’d come home late from a darts competition that he was part of, and he was late because he placed in the finals. That’s it. And she burned half the house down, which was his clothes, and smashed him in the head with a frying pan. Like he actually did something in.

Shar: Mhm.

Ky: So David ran for his life, thinking that she was going to kill him that night. And he ended up passing out in the neighbor’s house. Which you should have gone to the doctor because you probably had a concussion. Yes, they ended up calling the cops, but no charges were filed as Katherine apologized to David and convinced him to drop the charges. There wouldn’t be an apology in this bloody world that would have convinced me to drop the charges. You just hit me in the back of the head with a frying pan. Oh, my. And it’s not like I was doing anything. I didn’t even do anything.

Shar: Yeah, and. And he didn’t get a congratulations. Let’s keep that in mind. He didn’t get that.

Ky: No. I was like, screw you. You came home two minutes too late.

Shar: I’m a dark champion. You don’t care. Oh, you want to kill me? Oh, let me run. And I’m drunk. Oh, no, that’s not one of his drunk nights.

Ky: No, that wasn’t.

Shar: No.

Ky: I mean, he probably was, but who knows? But. But, Ah.

Shar: But the focus is the fact that he did something innocent, something that he enjoys. He did well at it, and he should have been congratulated and not threatened to be killed again.

Ky: You would think.

Shar: Yes, again.

Ky: Like you said, killed again. So their first child, Melissa Ann, was born in May of 1976. And a little while later, David had had enough of the. The abuse, the possessiveness, and just the, uh, all around violence in the relationship. So he walked out in his family and started a relationship with another woman. Him and his new woman moved to Queensland the next day. Witnesses saw, uh, Katherine walking down Main street pushing her child in a stroller. Well, I say pushing, but it wasn’t really pushing. I don’t think that’s the right word. More like crazily throwing the stroller from side to side with her newborn inside of it.

Shar: So reckless stroller driving?

Ky: Um, yeah, sure, if that’s a phrase.

Shar: It is now on our show, of course.

Ky: Police were called, and after a mental evaluation, she was admitted to St. Elmo’s Hospital, where she was diagnosed with postpartum depression. The hospital held her inpatient for several weeks while helping her recover. Now, I was told I had postpartum depression, but I Don’t remember it. I don’t remember being sad. I don’t remember it. But my mom said I definitely did, and she was watching me. How about you, Char? Did you have postpartum depression?

Shar: No, not at all. I was almost too happy. It was just amazing. But it’s. But it’s common, though. It’s. It’s definitely common. I. I know a few people at the same time I had my child that did go through that, and it was pretty sad because it’s, like, so overwhelming, you know, you don’t have a warning that it’s going to happen, because think about it, especially with your first child. Often it happens with the first child, um, or midlife. If a woman has a baby really late in life, you just feel like everything, subconsciously, everything else has been taken from you. As far as your.

Ky: It’s not freedom about, like, how you’re feeling. It. It’s. It’s totally about your hormones changing drastically. Not about that you had a child or you, you know, you lost your freedom. Nobody thinks about that. And even if they were very, very happy to have their child is a drastic. The immediate change in hormones that causes postpartum depression.

Shar: Well, thank you for clarifying that, because someone out there could maybe hear, you know, that they could use that. That clarity, because there’s.

Ky: People just understand. It’s not your fault.

Katherine took her newborn baby on a walk down to the train station

It’s not.

Shar: Yeah, it’s not your mood or anything. It’s not you. It’s literally a chemical imbalance in the brain. And, uh, you know, I mean, gosh, it’s still sad. So she was suffering from that?

Ky: Yeah, they said she was suffering for that. So she was inpatient in the hospital for several weeks, and then they let her go. Well, now of, uh, fully recovered, Katherine took her newborn baby on a walk down to the train station. There, she hugged her, placed her down for a good night nap right on the freaking train tracks right before the train was due to come in. Then what? She stole an ax. From where? I don’t know where you just steal an ax from. And went down into the town where she wielded the ax and threatened to kill anyone around. Back at the train station, an old man that the town called Old Ted saw the baby on the tracks and picked her up minutes before the train passed by. Dude.

Shar: Oh, my gosh.

Ky: You tried to not make this stuff.

Shar: Oh, my God. Okay, first of all, I’m trying to get over the fact that there’s a city called Old Ted. Okay? That’s the first thing.

Ky: It was an old man who was in the town? They called him Old Ted.

Shar: Oh, they called the man Old Ted. That was in the town. I thought, oh, my God. But, yeah, but she. So her idea was for the train to, boom. Um, hit the baby, take the baby out, and that’s that. I guess that’s what she was hoping. That was her plan, I guessing.

Ky: But anyway, yeah, of course. Police were called, and Katherine was arrested and readmitted to St. Elmo’s Hospital. Her depression must have been cured overnight, though. And she must have seen the error of her ways because the hospital let her sign herself out the next day. You know what really annoys me is how people don’t take mental illnesses serious seriously. That gets on my freaking nerves. And then when a mentally unstable person hurts themselves or someone else or a lot of someone else’s, you know, people are just shocked, like, oh, my God. Ah. How?

Shar: How?

Ky: You know what I’m saying? Do you know how many casualties could have been prevented if people just took these things seriously?

Shar: Right.

Ky: Wait till we get more into this story and you’ll remember the question that I just asked.

Katherine planned to kill her husband David and then kill her mother

So basically speaking of not taking it seriously, but if they did, people wouldn’t get hurt. A few days later, Katherine took one of her butcher knives, walked outside, found some random woman, slashed her face, and told her that she better drive her to Queensland to find her husband David, if she knew what was good for her. The woman started on the journey with Katherine, but convinced her to, you know, let’s pull over. You know, probably she asked her to pee or go to eat something or something. But while they were pulled over at a gas station, the woman ran off and called police. When police arrived, Katherine had taken a little boy hostage and had a knife to his throat. Police tried to talk her down, try to get her to see reason, but in the end, the only way to disarm her was with brooms. What? So anyway, they got the knife away from the boy’s throat with brooms and arrested Katherine. Uh, I don’t know.

Shar: Brooms. Brooms, Shark.

Ky: I mean, as long as the boy is safe, I don’t know. She was admitted to the Morissette Psychiatric Hospital, where she told the staff that she had wanted to kill the mechanic at the service station because he was the one who fixed David’s car. You know, the same car he’d used to drive away from her with his. With his now girlfriend. So, yeah, somehow it was the mechanic’s fault that he left her. Now, my question is, do you think that she agreed to pull over or do you think this is a delusion? That this was the service station that fixed David’s car? Do you think this is why she agreed to pull over? I don’t know. Maybe it was a delusion.

Shar: It’s kind of a toss up because it doesn’t really make sense.

Ky: Yeah. Anyway, her plan was that after she killed the mechanic, she was going to continue to Queensland to find David, kill him, then kill his mother.

Shar: Oh, my God.

Ky: The nurses reported this to the police, who in turn reported this to David. So, you know, he could be on high alert, like, hey, David, you have a crazy person that’s after you and your mom and she’s thinking about killing y’all. So David, being the bright individual that he is, left his girlfriend. He was like, yo, baby deuces. And he and his mom rush right out to Aberdeen to support Katherine. What?

Shar: I mean, it seems like every one of this story has their priorities really twisted. It just, you know, they’re all out of order. Like, nothing makes any sense. Dude listeners, it’s appalling.

Ky: Strapping, strap in. It ain’t.

Shar: Yeah, hold on to put on your seat belt and definitely hold on to your hat. This is just crazy.

Ky: It’s like shy saying. It seems like everybody. Wait, it gets worse. On August 9, 1976, Katherine was released from the hospital and placed into the care of her mother in law and David. Yep. The two people she’d planned to go on a murder spree for.

Shar: And that’s exactly. They’re left in. She’s left in their care. That’s just perfect.

Ky: Yeah, the hospital was like, no problem.

Shar: Y’all take her.

Ky: She’s fixed. No, just nothing. We’ll take her. Yeah, she wanted to kill us. I Hm. Just don’t understand what is happening in this story. M. Anyway, the trio moved to Woodridge where Katherine got a job at the Dinmore Meat Works in a nearby town. I’m just wondering, like, what is with her and working at butchers and slaughter.

Shar: That’s what I was gonna say. I’m curious to see what type of, uh, you know, a set. What type of. I don’t know, what is it called? Tricks of the trade. They’re going to leave her with this. This butcher facility she likes. I mean, because she’s already. Well, she already has her prized possession kit with a, uh. Was it a hacket or a butcher knife?

Ky: Butcher knife. Yeah, butcher.

Shar: Butcher knife. She just.

Ky: She seems like she just likes cutting meat.

Shar: Like what she just really enjoys. He’s like, look, I have experience. I can prove it. I’m the best.

Ky: I’m the best at what I do, dude. I was quickly promoted in my last spot. Like, I don’t even know now if you had married someone with mental issues. Y’all had a kid, you left because you deemed them dangerous and for some reason made the bright decision to leave your newborn baby with that person. The person tried to kill the baby. Twice, actually. The person was it twice. I know. She left him on the train track. She was shaking him around. Yeah. So twice. The person planned to go on a murder spree. So you know, to kill you and your mom and some other people on the way to come in and anyone.

Katherine and David welcomed another child, a daughter named Natasha Murray

Shar: Else, Any other innocent bystander.

Ky: Yeah. So then you and your mom came back to help this person. What do you think your next rational step would be?

Shar: Commit yourself to the asylum. But that’s probably not going to happen in this story somehow.

Ky: Well, um, I’ll tell you what their next rational step was. On March 6th of 1980, Katherine and David welcomed another child, a daughter named Natasha Murray. Yeah, just the rationale. Four years later, Katherine decided that she was just done with David and left him to move in with her parents back in Aberdeen. She was like.

Shar: With her parents?

Ky: Yes, she went back to her parents house. She was like, you know what, David? I know I was jealous before and I tried to come kill you and your mom, but this ain’t working out for me.

Shar: So you think Katherine finally, she says she gets it, she finally gets it.

Ky: So I was going to go back to Aberdeen, I’m going to move back with my parents. And a little while after that, she moved into a rental home in Muswellbrook. I don’t know if that’s how you say the town, but Muswell Brook, which was a town not too far from her parents. Then she went back to her dream job at the slaughterhouse. She was.

Shar: Because she’s so happy.

Ky: She was so happy. But then a year later, she actually hurt her back and had to be placed on disability. Oh, this. She moved back to Aberdeen. Good Lord, how many times has this woman moved so far? But anyways. And then in 1986, Katherine met a man named David Saunders. I know the first guy was David, but this is David, also David.

Shar: She just likes David’s out there.

Ky: Yep. And with it. Look, within a couple of months, they were living together. Now, in true Katherine fashion, jealousy and violence soon found its way into their relationship. Katherine didn’t like that David would do anything without her, like, you know, when she wasn’t home. So she would often Kick him out. I guess when she’s not home, she just expects him to sit and wait for her to get back home.

Shar: And don’t you move.

Ky: Did you take a shower while I wasn’t here?

Shar: Did you get my permission?

Ky: Yeah.

Shar: Did you go to the bathroom? No, you can’t do that. Just hold it. Just hold it. So I’ll be home in six hours. Don’t you go anywhere.

Ky: Right?

Shar: That’s crazy. Talk about control. Oh, my gosh. Where was Mom? Where was mom to warn this guy, though? Mom didn’t warn this.

Ky: No. I guess she figured it didn’t work with the last guy, so why waste her breath? Yeah, but David had kept his apartment in scone, so whenever she would kick him out, he would just go back to his place. A short time would pass and Katherine would apologize and I’m so sorry. Please come back. It’ll never happen again. And of course he would come back.

Shar: It’ll happen again. Yes.

If you are in an abusive relationship, the apology means nothing

Ky: Now, Allen Emers, this is the time when Ky is going to pause the show to bring you some relationship advice. Listen carefully. If you are in an abusive relationship, whether physically or verbally, and your abusive partner shows a continuous habit of abusing you and apologizing to you, the apology means nothing. It’s just another form of abuse and a way for them to get you to stay. It’s not going, uh, to stop, mind you. It’s not your fault. They’re going to try and, you know, you’re going to feel like, oh, if I had not dropped the glass, if I had not breathed hard. You’re going to feel like it’s your fault. It is not your fault. Now let me tell you what you need to do. Come closer to the speaker so I can tell you. Come closer, closer. Come on, just a little bit closer. Just come, come closer. Okay, that’s close enough. Just stop. Okay, this is what you need to do if this happens. Y’all ready?

Shar: We’re ready. Run.

Ky: Save yourself and run. That is the only solution. Now, the more you know. Anyway, back to no.

Shar: There. That’s, that’s. No, that’s actually true love and murder advice. There you go. And it’s free.

Ky: Huh? Free? Yes. In May of 1987, Katherine knew that she had to set an example for David Saunders. So she grabbed her two month old puppy and slit its throat in front of David. Then she told him, quote, this is what will happen to you if you ever cheat on me and leave me.

Shar: Then, wow.

Ky: She smashed him upside the head with a frying pan and rendered him Unconscious.

Shar: Wait, did she smash the puppy?

Ky: Um, no, she slit the puppy’s throat. I mean, her puppy was dead and then she said.

Shar: And she moves on to David. To David number two.

Ky: Yeah. I don’t understand what is going on.

Shar: Something about the frying pan in this story.

Ky: I don’t understand. Like if she has anything in her hand, why are you people not running a fire? She always got a freaking frying pan.

Shar: Right in another frying pan. This can’t be a coincidence.

Ky: Does she just walk around the house with a frying pan in her hand?

Shar: Either that or a butcher.

Ky: Cuz I’m pretty sure if I’m about to like hit my husband with a frying pan, I’m going to walk to the kitchen, which I got to go downstairs, make a right, walk around, get to the kitchen, open my cabinet, take my frying pan. Like take some pots out of my frying pan, pull out my fry. By this time I’m pretty sure he’ll get it. He’ll know what’s going on. Like he’s gonna.

Shar: Yeah. She might leave one under her bed. We just don’t know.

Ky: That’s what I’m just wondering.

Shar: She has this obsession with frying pants. It’s probably just right under a bed. It probably just in case she has to kill him that night or chase him around the house or just leave that threat, you know, so, so the.

Ky: Poor dog, after she did that.

Shar: Mhm.

David went into hiding from Katherine after she repeatedly beat him in 1988

Ky: In June of 1988, what do you think happened?

Shar: Just what do you think happened this time? A David was hit with a frying pan and maybe he went unconscious. Finals. I mean, how many times?

Ky: Yeah, he went unconscious, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. But then let’s fast forward to June of 1988. This was 1980s, May of 1987 when that happened. So in June of 90, 1988, after she killed a puppy in front of him and smashed him unconscious, what do you think happened?

Shar: Um, I don’t know. I mean, did he live? I don’t know. I’m thinking he.

Ky: What?

Shar: Did he live?

Ky: Yeah, yeah, he was alive. I’ll tell you what happened. She had a third child, the frick. She had another child, uh, another daughter, this one named Sarah. David decided to put a deposit on a house for his new family. And Katherine’s workman comp paid off the rest of the house. In 1989 M. The house was decorated with nothing other than. Y’all ready for this?

Shar: Her prize butcher set.

Ky: Animal skins, skulls, horns, leather jackets, old boots, rusty animal traps, machetes, pitchforks. And rakes. I think they call this style the Southern modern open space feng shui. I guess Every single space in the house was covered with something. There was not one empty spot, including the ceiling. I don’t know how you freaking decorate the freaking ceiling, but, ah, uh, I.

Shar: Just can’t imagine now. Bullhorns hanging from the ceiling and. I don’t know, I mean, chains and whips and knives and. That’s crazy.

Ky: Yeah, it’s crazy. Now I know. When you have children in the house, doctors usually suggest that you have lots of pointy things around. Rusty objects are highly encouraged because it’s.

Shar: So safe for them.

Ky: Yeah. So I think Katherine and David are following the best parental suggestions here. Keeping their kids safe. Yeah. You know, rusty stuff, sharp stuff, rusty nails. Oh, this is exactly.

Shar: Kids love chewing on rusty nails when they’re teething.

Ky: Exactly. Sometime and some arguments later, David moved out of the house and moved back to Scone. Do you want to know what the last straw was for him? Do you want to know what the last straw was for him? That he was like, screw this, I’m moving out.

Shar: Okay. What was that? I can’t even imagine.

Ky: Well, during an argument with Katherine, she hit him in the face with an iron and then stabbed him in the stomach with a pair of scissors.

Shar: What?

Ky: God, I can’t imagine. After some time, he went back to Katherine’s house to get the rest of his stuff and found that she had destroyed all of his stuff and cut up all of his clothes.

Shar: That doesn’t shock me there.

Ky: He then decided to take leave from work and went into hiding from Katherine. Do you know how crazy you have to be to have someone go into hiding?

Shar: Hiding? Yeah.

Ky: Oh, my God. Of course Katherine searched for him, but she couldn’t find him anywhere. And nobody, you know, would give up his secret there. Oh, I don’t know.

Shar: Who.

Ky: Who’s David? Huh? I know what you’re talking about. So she couldn’t find him. However, David couldn’t really stay away from his daughter for long. So some months later, he came back to see his kid and found out that Katherine had gone to the police and told them that David was so abusive and that she was so afraid of him, and she’d filed a restraining order against him. And of course it was granted. Even though there are files of Katherine being the one who was abusive, they gave.

Shar: That’s not fair.

Ky: They gave her the restraining order. Makes m no sense at all.

Shar: At all.

Katherine has hit three men with frying pan and they keep coming back

Ky: So anyways, Fast forward to 1990 and Katherine was in a relationship with her co. Worker John Chillingsworth. Now, I’m gonna tell you all this women, if you can’t get a man, and this bitch here is getting all kind of men, I don’t know what’s wrong with you. Like, literally, I don’t know what’s wrong with you. This woman has had man after man after man. She has, uh, stabbed the man. She has hit like three men in the head with a frying pan. Like, and they keep coming back. What in the world?

Shar: I mean, she put her baby in the railroad tracks. This lady is just, uh.

Ky: And she keeps getting men and they keep coming back.

Shar: It’s like, I don’t know what it is about her, but they want to come back.

Ky: Dude, I just, I don’t, I don’t know. Is it the men? This is what you have to ask. Is it the men who’s crazy or.

Shar: Or is it her?

Ky: No. Well, we know she’s crazy, but I’m just like wondering, like, how are they coming back to her? Like, I don’t know. Yeah, well, anyway, she was with John Chillingsworth. He was 43 at this time and she was 35. Of course, she did what seems to be a habit for her and gave him a child named Eric in 1991.

Shar: So M. I’m running out of fingers. Is that five, maybe, or four?

Ky: She has four children now.

Shar: Okay.

Ky: Three girls and a boy.

Shar: A boy. Finally.

Ky: A boy. Yeah. John and Katherine’s relationship lasted three years before she left him for someone she’d been having an affair with. Dude. Another dude. Oh, my God.

Shar: Another dude.

Ky: In steps. John Price. Everyone calls him another John. Dude. I. I just, I don’t.

Shar: You just. I just. I can’t. So there’s two. Okay. Uh, there’s two of each with the same names?

Ky: Yeah. So everyone calls this John Pricey. Pricey was divorced since 1988 and had three children. Everyone loved Pricey. He was happy, go lucky, friendly, and just like this, all around good guy. Everyone loved him. His two older children lived with him, while his two year old daughter lived with his ex wife. In 1995, three years after they exclusively started dating, Katherine moved in with John. By the way, John was completely aware of Katherine’s abusive and violent nature. Why do you think he would move her into his home and especially around his children? This is what I’m saying. What is wrong with these guys? Shocking them like, oh, I didn’t know you were abusive. Yeah, I know for a fact at least two of them, or maybe three, knew of her abusive behavior and was just like, yeah, come on you know what? I know. I wonder how good was the cootie coo.

Shar: Well, that’s what I was gonna say. Does she have the golden ticket?

Ky: That’s the only thing, Dude, I need lessons from. Like, what were you doing there?

Shar: Must be. I must.

Ky: You.

Shar: Look, uh. Do you want to make you and I both, like, she’s. She’s on to something that maybe we just don’t know about because I’ve never heard of any. And all these men are like, it doesn’t matter about the fact that you tried to murder me so many times. I’m gonna come back. Like, why?

Ky: One. She’s probably doing like a thousand Kegels a day. One, two, three. It’s like steel down there. My God.

Shar: Yeah, definitely. I would say it’s something.

Ky: I don’t know. Anyways, they moved in together, and at first everything was great. His kids liked her, and John was making, like, a lot of money working in the mines. They did have some arguments, or what they called violent arguments, but I guess he didn’t feel like it was bad enough to break up with her. I mean, the other.

Shar: Because after all, violence is normal.

Ky: Yeah, the other guys didn’t feel like getting hit in the face with a frying pan was enough to break up with her. So what is an argument meant? So I don’t know. Anyway, by 1998, Katherine wanted pricey to marry her, but he refused. I don’t know why.

Katherine asked Pricey to marry her, but he refused

You’re already living with her. Yeah, what’s the freaking different. So he refused. And apparently this wasn’t the first time that she asked him to marry her this time.

Shar: And after all, she’s never been turned down, so.

Ky: Oh, well, maybe, uh, this time in particular, they ended up having a fight over it. And later, Katherine decided to videotape things that Pricey had stolen from his job. And she generously shared that with his boss, even though the items were actually m. Just like out of date medical kits that he’d taken from the company. Trash. He was still fired from a job that he’d held for 17 years. Do you see why you shouldn’t chest jobs. Jobs do not care about you at all. They could have just spoken to him, issued him a warning. You know, something other than firing him. It’s not like he took the freaking boss’s computer home with him. It’s just trash.

Shar: But if you’re okay. Didn’t she have a child by him too?

Ky: No, not this one. He had a.

Shar: Okay, so. So your. So basically your girlfriend. I guess she’s girlfriend. Set you up. And I guess they felt like, if she doesn’t respect you, we really don’t want you around. That’s the only thing I can think of because that’s just so ridiculous.

Ky: It is just. I don’t. But 17 years, like that doesn’t make sense. Uh, it doesn’t make sense. And the stuff he took, I don’t really think you would even call it stealing because he took it out of the trash. You were throwing it away. Yeah, it was worthless anyway, so it’s not even stealing. So there was no grounds for him to be fired. I. I don’t even know. So anyway, at the same time, basically Katherine not thinking, she just screwed herself because he was making money and supporting her children.

Shar: That’s less for her.

Ky: But then again, when have we known Katherine to be sensible? So Pricey came home and kicked Katherine out of his house. So she went back to her own house. At least she had somewhere to go. Right. However, as seems to be the habit with everyone who’s dealt with her Price, he came back to her a few months later, but she wasn’t allowed to move into his house. So they were together. She just couldn’t move in. However, this ban even didn’t last that long and Katherine was right back in his house. This time around though, the fighting increased and Pricey’s friends decided not to hang around if he was going to stay with Katherine. So it was like, she’s abusive. Why are you doing this to yourself?

Shar: So he lost his friends over her too, basically.

Ky: But that was his fault. Now my question to you is, would you leave your friend because they were in an abusive relationship and wouldn’t leave the person, or would you still be around this friend?

Shar: Okay, I’ve had people leave me over that, so I think I would m. Okay. Uh, I don’t know. But I know what’s happened to me though, twice. And that friend never, still never speaks to me to this day. And it’s because of that. Because. Okay, so a lot of friends feel like if you’re not going to get smart and have some sense and look out for yourself, they can’t bear to watch the dysfunction. So it’s not that they’re being a totally mean friend, it’s just like a tough love lesson. I believe that’s how I look at it.

Ky: That’s stupid. I wouldn’t leave. Um, I would, I would warn you, maybe up to three times, maybe a little bit more. Depends on how much I care about you.

Shar: Mhm.

Ky: But then after a while, I’ll just turn off my caring. Like, I don’t. I can’t do anything for you, but I’m not gonna leave you because, you know, you might come to your senses one day and need someplace to stay. You know what I’m saying? So I’ll still be there. But in terms of caring, like, you’re not going to make my blood pressure rise because of a situation you don’t want to get out of. So in terms of caring and constantly trying to, like, call your attention to this, that’ll stop. But I’ll still be there. Because the second you come to your senses and you need my help, I’ll be there for you. Now even that has.

Shar: That is a good friend.

Ky: That has its limits. Because if it’s like every time I help you go right back, I’m not helping you anymore. But I’m not going to stop being your friend. So I don’t know, maybe you’ll finally come to your senses one day, but I’m not going to stop talking to you unless your abusive stuff trickles into my house. Then you got to get the step in.

Shar: Yeah, you. In some way.

Ky: If it affects my kid or my family in some way, yeah, no, that’s not happening. But anyways.

Pricey took out a restraining order against Katherine in February of 2000

By February of 2000, Pricey was tired of the amount of, of abuse he was going through, which included Katherine, uh, stabbing him in the chest one time and he kicked her out of his house again. On February 29, Price. He took out a restraining order against Katherine so that she would stay away from him and his kids. Which a piece of paper really doesn’t do anything, but I do admire doing that.

Shar: No, not at all.

Ky: Um, at work, on that same day that he took out that restraining order, Pricey told his co workers that if he didn’t come into work the next day, then that meant that Katherine had killed him. Of course, his co workers, they, huh, had.

Shar: That was their deal. I mean.

Ky: No. Who said a pact? No, I just told you. But he took out. He took on his way to work, he took out a restraining order against her. Then he went to work and then he told his co workers that, hey, if I don’t come in tomorrow, then I’m dead. And it was Katherine who did it.

Shar: Uh, okay, I got it. Yeah, that way they don’t have to wonder.

Ky: And his co workers told him m. Not to go home. Like, you know, you and your kids. Yeah, you know, just go home. But he told them that if he didn’t go home, he was afraid that she was probably going to Kill his kids instead. So he went home. Now, when Pricey Pricey got home that evening, he saw that Katherine had sent the kids away for a sleepover at a friend’s house. And she wasn’t in the house herself. So me being me, that would be my cue to, uh, pack my up and my kids stuff, pick them up from wherever the frick sleepover they were, and dis a freaking pair.

Shar: Yeah, I’m not, I’m not sticking around to watch Netflix and see if you come home.

Ky: Exactly. Well, instead, Pricey stuck around and watched Netflix and saw Soft. You came home. Now, he went, um, he went and spent the evening with his neighbors and then he came home and went to bed around 11pm in the house, the same house that Katherine has the key to. I’m not closing my eyes with a crazy person around.

Shar: No. Anyway, sleep with one eye open.

Ky: I’m asleep with not in the house open. I’m not going back to that house. Later that night, Katherine came over to the house and let herself in because she had the key. She sat watching TV for a while and then went and took a shower. She then worked Pricey up and they had sex and went to sleep afterwards. At 6am a neighbor came over to Pricey’s house because they saw his car still in the driveway and knew that he should have been off to work by then. Man. However, no one answered the door, so the neighbor left. Later that day, when he didn’t come to work, his manager sent a co worker over to Pricey’s house to make sure he was okay. He knocked on the door and Pricey’s bedroom window, you know, just trying to wake him up. Like, hey, are you up? Are you there? You know, what’s going on?

Shar: Um.

Ky: When there was no answer, the co worker tried to like, see inside the house, but he couldn’t see. You know, like, if there’s like a crack in the curtain, you’re just trying to.

Shar: Oh, yeah, you can at least see something.

Ky: But he couldn’t see anything. So he went back around to the front door and was about to knock again, but then he noticed some red stuff on the door. And like, he was like, is that paint? Is that blood? Am I tripping? Either way, he wasn’t taking any chances. This is Ky. And called the cops. But Ky would be calling the cops from her car driving down the street. Because I’m not staying near that house. I don’t know what’s going on in that. And I know she’s crazy. No, no, no. I’d Be calling the cops from down the street. Anyway, they arrived at 8am and entered the house through the back door. So basically, like, broke down the back door?

Shar: Yeah.

Ky: Upon searching the house, police found Pricey’s body and they found Katherine passed out next to him, but she was alive. They tried to revive her, but she would not wake up. Pricey was taken by the coroner and Katherine was taken to the hospital. At the hospital, it was revealed that she had taken a lot of pills in an attempt to kill herself. They treated her in the hospital and saved her life. Now. Oh, I’m not saying this happens. I’m not saying it’s true. I’m just saying what I’ve read is, psychologically speaking, when people just take a lot of pills and claim that they just want to. Exactly. They’re not trying to kill themselves.

Shar: It’s like a cry for help, and that’s about it.

Ky: Exactly. So during the police investigation of the house, the blood evidence revealed a story. Pricey was stabbed into bed, probably while sleeping. He’d awakened and tried to turn the lights on and then tried to escape his attacker. The attacker chased him through the house, and he was able to open the front door and get outside, but he didn’t make it that far.

Shar: Oh, my gosh. So he was chased outside.

Ky: So he either stumbled back into the house or he was dragged back in, where he died in the hallway. From a loss of blood, police also found this weird thing hanging in the archway of the door to the living room. They looked at it and realized it was bloody, and they just couldn’t figure out what it was. But after a while of examining it, they realized that hanging on some hooks in the archway of the living room was skin.

Shar: Ew. I thought.

Ky: Oh, Prices. Skin what? Ah.

Love and Murder investigation finds gruesome Thanksgiving dinner at murdered man’s home

Shar: Uh. So, I mean, you didn’t say she was like a voodoo priestess? I didn’t. I didn’t know all that. Okay. This is just so creepy.

Ky: Looking through the house and they saw there was stuff on the stove, so they went to the stove, and in a pot on the stove was Pricey’s head with vegetables surrounding it.

Shar: Oh, she literally dismembered him.

Ky: The pot was still warm, indicating that it had been cooking early in the morning.

Shar: Right. Oh, my gosh. His head. His head was in a pot.

Ky: M. They also saw that there was dinner at the table with notes beside the two dinner plates. Each note had the name of Pricey’s kids on it. There was also another dinner plate that had been thrown outside on the back lawn. The dinner plates held meat, which was Pricey’s cooked flesh served with baked potatoes, pumpkin, zucchini, cabbage, yellow squash and gravy.

Shar: Was this Thanksgiving by any chance?

Ky: There was also meat in the oven, Bacon with some more vegetables. Sounds like a Thanksgiving dinner to me.

Shar: It does. Uh, I’m like, this is our Thanksgiving edition, everyone. This is Love and Murder Thanksgiving edition. We’ve got all the trimmings. We’ve got everything but the turkey.

Ky: Because, I mean, they have. They have the turkey. I mean, it was basically like, oh, beef. Right.

Shar: And it’s real human. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ky: So Love and Murder Thanksgiving. Y’all coming over?

Shar: Y’all coming? The only thing that. You know what? She. The only thing she missed was the cranberry.

Ky: Cranberry sauce. Exactly.

Shar: She forgot the cranberry sauce.

Ky: Damn it.

Shar: But this is. So this table was set with, literally, delectables of his flesh, various dishes.

Ky: Yeah.

Shar: And with vegetables even. Like, she, you know, she’s looking at the house.

Ky: She had the place cards of who was to sit where and everything.

Shar: Yeah.

Ky: Cooking in the. In the oven for them.

Shar: And who knows what’s baking in there. Oh, yeah, it was.

Ky: Also in the oven was some more meat, and it looked like steaks and vegetables. So.

Shar: Okay. Uh, I can’t even imagine what body parts those were. But she’s.

Ky: You’ll find out.

Shar: She’s the butcher.

Ky: You’ll find out expert. So before the police took the body away, it was documented that the body was arranged with the left arm draped over an empty 2 liter soda bottle and the legs crossed. Lost. So I don’t know what.

Shar: You’ve got to be kidding me. Oh, wait a minute. What?

Ky: So meanwhile, at Pricey’s autopsy, the coroner revealed that Pricey had been stabbed with a butcher knife while he was sleeping. The autopsy also revealed that he had been stabbed at least 37 times, both in the front and back of his body, with a lot of the wounds going so deep that it cut vital organs. Oh, good Lord. Do you know how hard you have to stab somebody for that? Oh, my God.

Shar: And then. And then he was dragged out of bed, down the steps or.

Ky: No, he walked. He was trying to get away, remember?

Shar: Oh, that was the part. Okay, so he gets out the bed when the stabbing began. And let us not forget, they made love before this. This entire debacle. Why? Criminals tend to want to get it in before they get it in. It’s crazy to me. So he somehow makes it out the house, she drags him back in, and then makes dinner out of him. I mean, wow.

Ky: So.

Shar: Wow.

Ky: Yeah, um, he had been stabbed in the front and the back, all like, with some stabs going to his vital organs. And also chunks of flesh was missing from his butt.

Shar: Well, you know, that’s probably the fattier.

Ky: That’s, that was in the oven. That’s where the st. Yeah, exactly.

Shar: Mm mhm. Because it’s juice, it’s solid.

Ky: During the investigation, neighbors and Pricey’s co workers informed the cops of what Pricey had said.

Also, they found a handwritten note with pieces of flesh on it

Also, if that wasn’t enough, they found a handwritten, blood soaked note with pieces of flesh on it on top of a picture of Pricey that said, quote, now I, I’m gonna write in our Facebook group, our fan um, page. I’m gonna put in there how the note was written because remember, she’s illiterate. So I’m gonna put in there how the note was written. Yes.

Shar: Because she can’t read or write. So you guys check that out. Definitely go to our fan page.

Ky: Yeah, our fan page. Love and murder. Just search Google. Uh, you could search Facebook Love, uh and Murder fan page. Or you could search in Facebook itself, search Love and Murder fan page. But anyway, the note said, quote, time got you back Jonathan for raping R A P P I N G my daughter. D O U t e r u 2 you2 beck for Ross for Little John. Now play with little, Little John’s dick, John Price. That’s what it said. So basically it was saying Beck was his daughter and then Little John was his son.

Shar: So wait a minute, she, she, she.

Ky: Got it said time got you back Jonathan for raping my daughter. You two beck which was Price’s daughter for Ross for little John, which is his son. Now play with Little John’s dick, John Price. That’s just a weird note, but I’m guessing saying she’s basically acting like she did this because this is revenge because Price raped her daughter. This is what she’s saying. End the note.

Shar: M that’s what she’s saying.

Ky: Yeah.

Shar: We don’t have any evidence of that, do we Ky?

Katherine initially pleaded not guilty to murdering Pricey; later changed plea

Ky: Well, let’s, let’s, we’ll talk about it. So it was also revealed that Katherine had taken $1,000 out of Pricey’s account on the night of the murder. Of course, Katherine was arrested. This happened the day after the murder that they arrested her. And during her interrogation, she said she didn’t remember the murder. She told police, quote, the last time I recall was, I don’t know about your dates, but I went inside and I watched a bit of tv. That’s what she Said the police brought in psychiatrists and they determined that was a lie. But they did have to determine if she was fit for a trial, and in the end, they found that she was. One psychiatrist said the problem is not that she did not know it was wrong to do such a thing, but that she did not care about doing them. Callousness is not an absence of knowledge or of what is right or wrong, end quote.

Shar: So we know that.

Ky: What do you think Katherine pled?

Shar: Well, in true love and murder fashion, like most of the cases that we cover. Not guilty. I didn’t do it. I did nothing. Your honor. It’s not my fault.

Ky: Yep, she played not guilty actually, though initially she tried to plead guilty to manslaughter, but that was rejected, and she was arraigned on February 2, 2001, on the charge of murder in pricey. This is when she entered her plea of not guilty. So then her trial began on October 15, 2001, which was actually one day later that it was originally set for because her lawyer ended up being sick. So it began the next day and was overseen by Justice Barry O’Keefe. Because of the gravity of the murder, the judge thought that it was wise to have, like, reserved jury members in case the main members couldn’t continue. The next morning, Katherine changed her plea to guilty, and the jury was dismissed. Justice O’Keefe ordered an overnight psychiatric assessment to ensure that Katherine understood the consequences of pleading guilty. Her legal team had planned to use the defense of amnesia and disassociation, but most of the psychiatrists considered her sane. Katherine never gave a reason for the guilty plea, and she refused to accept responsibility for her actions. At sentencing, Katherine’s lawyer requested that she be excused so that she wouldn’t hear some of the facts. It was just too much for her to hear that she did. Yeah, right. But the justice denied the request. When Dr. Timothy Lyons took the stand and began describing the skinning and decapitation, Katherine started going into hysteria and had to be sedated. Uh, of course, I would have been in the. In the, in the audience.

Shar: Like, like, please. Uh, yeah, very good. You’re. She’s going for the Academy Award.

Ky: You know.

Shar: She gives her speeches all together and, you know, she wrote her speech in broken English and, uh.

Ky: Good.

Shar: Wow.

Ky: So during the trial, it was refute. Revealed that the accusations of the blood and flesh splattered on the note were groundless. So basically, she lied her butt off. So, no, he didn’t rape anybody. There’s no proof of it. There’s no nothing. So, no. So that was thrown out. Also, the way that Pricey’s body was arranged was meant to actually be an act of defilement. Demonstrated Katherine’s hatred of Pricey. That’s why she did that with his body.

Shar: I mean, yeah, you can’t have very much like, to turn him into Thanksgiving dinner. Uh, no.

Ky: Earlier on, on the day of the murder, Katherine had bought new black lingerie and had videotaped all her children while making comments that the court interpreted as like a type of will. Her younger life was also brought up, and it was found that she had been sexually assaulted by several family members, but not her father. And this continued until she was 11. Also, at one point in time, Katherine had complained to her mother that one of her partners wanted her to take part in a sex act that she didn’t want to do. And Barbara, her mother, told her to, quote, put up with it and stop complaining. Good.

Shar: Thanks, mom. Good advice.

Ky: Yeah, great advice, mom.

Shar: I turned out real well.

Ky: On November 8, 2001, Justice O’Keefe sentenced Katherine to life in prison without the possibility of parole. On her papers, he ordered the following words to be marked on it, quote, never to be released, end quote. This was the first time that this sentence had ever been given to a woman in all of Australian history. Good Lord.

Shar: Oh, uh, she’s famous, but for the wrong reasons. You know, some people are like, I always wanted to be famous.

Ky: Yeah, like this. Later, the justice said that the skin in of Pricey’s body was, quote, carried out with considerable expertise and an, um, obviously steady hand, so that his skin, including that of his head, face, nose, ears, neck, torso, genital organs and legs, was removed so as it was like, it formed one pelt.

Shar: So, expertly, she was, uh, very good at her job as a. But it’s a, uh. Well, as a bone deboner. Boner. And then she. You’ve got to be kidding. I’ve never even heard of that. That’s crazy. That’s the entire body.

Ky: Yeah. The quote continues on so expertly. Was it done that after the postmortem examination, the skin was able to be restored, sewn onto Price’s body in a way which indicated a, uh, clear and appropriate albite, grizzly methodology. End quote. So she made. She skinned him so good that he. She took everything off in one go. In one go. It was just like a shower curtain of skin hanging there.

Shar: Yeah. And then, boom. They were able to put it.

Ky: They were able to put it back, dude.

Shar: Because after all, I’m so good at My job.

On June 2006, Katherine appealed her sentence saying life in prison was too severe

Yeah.

Ky: Dude, that’s. That’s freaking insane.

Shar: That’s some detail there. Oh.

Ky: On June 2006, Katherine appealed her sentence, saying that life in prison was just too severe of a punishment for the murder. Are you serious? Justice.

Shar: It’s not funny, but I can’t even believe that she. She didn’t think something like that.

Ky: Um, Justice Peter McLean, Justice Michael Adams and Justice Megan Latham laughed and laughed and laughed and then dismissed her appeal. They probably didn’t laugh. I’m just saying they did because that’s what I would have done.

Shar: Well, because they’re going, uh, you’re crazy. That’s it for you. This story is done. Your life is done. You have no rights. You have no opinion. It doesn’t matter. Just be quiet. Don’t say anything.

Ky: It’s freaking crazy.

Shar: It’s done. It’s over. Happy Thanksgiving.

Ky: You know, Justice McLean wrote, quote, this was an appalling crime almost beyond contemplation in a civilized society. End quote. Oh, remember the plate that was out in the backyard? It’s presumed that she tried to eat the meal, but she couldn’t bring herself to do it and threw it out back. This is just people thinking what happened to it? Nobody really knows, but they’re thinking this is what happened. So.

Shar: So she lost her appetite or she just didn’t have the nerves.

Ky: She just didn’t have. Yeah, exactly.

Shar: I thought. Originally thought it would be a very tasty meal, but she thought, um, maybe not.

Ky: Yep.

Shar: I mean, is that. Is that a crime, though? If. I mean, if she had, I don’t know, do you think she would have got. Maybe.

Ky: I want to search it, but I don’t want that in my search history.

Shar: Well, it’s cannibalism, though. Though. And I mean, I wonder.

Ky: I’m pretty sure cannibalism is a crime.

Shar: Yeah, but. But you can’t get more. Okay, here’s the thing. She already has life with no Perot. So even if she had and even if it was a crime, they. They’re not going to attack anything else on.

Ky: Dude, they track crap onto people all the time. It’ll be like life plus 50 years plus 80 years. Like, your bones are gonna rot. Like your bones are better.

Shar: Bones are already gonna rise.

Ky: They tax stuff on. Yeah, but, uh, anyway, Katherine Knight is in Molo Mulua Women’s Correctional center, where she works as a cleaner in the governor’s office. You near the governor?

Shar: How’d she get such a prestige, prestigious position? How. Like, how do you earn that? I don’t Know, but you know how she. You know how she is with the men, though. There’s, uh, something about that. She’s got that golden ticket. Even. Even the governor. I wouldn’t be surprised.

Ky: You know, I. I wouldn’t say that. I don’t think so. I just.

Shar: It’s.

Ky: It’s not the governor who puts her in there. It’s, you know, the other people, the guards and stuff like that. But who knows?

Shar: Yeah, but she’s working for him, so I’m saying when she gets a whole. When she’s introduced to men, just the opposite species, it’s like they just go into this. They’re mesmerized.

Ky: I think she was hot or something, but she’s totally not. Wait till you see her picture. She’s just.

Shar: You’re kidding. She’s just there. So they never use that as an example. It’s just, you know, she’s just got that game with her mouth, I guess. Like, that’s what I’m saying.

Ky: Is the cootie cat. Yeah. Or something. I don’t know.

In all of America, I personally have not heard of a story regarding

Shar: No, I meant. I meant she can talk a good game. She probably does a whole lot of other things. Yes, I’m sure.

Ky: Oh, my mind was somewhere else. I’m sorry.

Shar: That’s okay. But trust me, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t too far off, because I, uh. Okay, so I was gonna say, in all of our history of. Of love and murder. I don’t remember. Okay, no, let’s say this. Let’s say this. In all of America, I personally have not heard of a story regarding this type of gruesome skinning and the cooking and the whole dinner and all of that. I feel like this is one of the worst, like, literally one of the most gruesome, most heinous, gory stories that I think we’ve heard. And we always had a close second on that, you know, with the myra. But this lady here, a, uh, Katherine. It won. I. You see. Now I wonder what happened to her trend, her twin, because she’s so, like, out there, so cuckoo, that she might have just ran her off.

Ky: Just as well, because, like, just not talking to her. It’s a possibility. I don’t think so, because, like I said, she liked her twin. So I think they just didn’t bring her twin into the story because her twin didn’t do anything. So there was nothing to report on the twin?

Shar: No, I guess not. But, you know, there. But I mean, from what we know about twins, and even with our cases, they’re often a lot closer Than this.

Ky: Often, but not all the time. So m. I don’t.

Shar: Not all the time, but anyways.

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Well, Ky, that’s our Thanksgiving edition.

Ky: She’s still alive and John Price is dead. And this is the story of the Australian Hannibal Lecter. I hope you enjoyed your dinner and your story. If you like, don’t forget the cranberry sauce. Uh, yeah, don’t forget it. If you like this episode, go to Apple Podcast, hit the purple button and give us five stars. You can say whatever you want in the description, but what this does is helps bring us up in the charts and helps other people like your friends find our show. Don’t forget to visit us on Patreon and become a subscriber for crazy bonus episodes and, you know, Char’s crazy stories. Uh, Florida crazy stories, apparently. I’m just finding out New York has crazy stories too, like Florida dude. So don’t really go to Patreon and subscribe. So that’s www.patreon.com forward/loveandmurder and it’s only $3. Follow us on social media at facebook.com forward/relationship crime Instagram @ Love Murder Podcast, our Facebook fan group, where you’re gonna see the note from this, uh, from this case written in there. So our Facebook friend group, just search Facebook for love and murder fan page. And don’t forget about our merch. Right now Threadless is having sales. You know, it’s the end of the year.

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Shar: Yeah. Don’t chop them up for Thanksgiving dinner.

Ky: Exactly. Please. And don’t try and feed them.

Shar: We don’t want to hear of another case that crazy. No.

Ky: Yeah.

Shar: Never get away with it.

Ky: We will end the show as usual, with all, ah, love and, um, no murder, y’all. Uh, good night.

Shar: Good night.